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#1 Re: Help Me ! » Finding 2 Tangents Of A Circle Given A Point? » 2011-01-21 18:07:08

Hm... I thought I already solved using soroban's method, it's way even better and easier. wink
But thanks for showing it, too.
I guess you didn't read the whole post.
Maybe it's just confusing. dizzy

Anyway, Thanks.

#2 Re: Help Me ! » Finding 2 Tangents Of A Circle Given A Point? » 2011-01-21 17:25:16

I manage to solve it for the question below.
tangent2.png

Sorry I don't know how to use the [math.][/math.] thing.

I tried with your method:
⇒ [y = m(x-10)+1] ⇒ x² + y² = 25
⇒ x² + (mx - 10m + 1)² - 25 = 0 ...... Expand and cleanup...
⇒ m²x² - 20m²x + 100m² +2mx - 20m + x² - 24 = 0 ...... Into quadratic equation.
⇒ (m² + 1)x² + (2m - 20m²)x + 100m² - 20m - 24 = 0 ...... Into The discriminant of a quadratic.
⇒ (2m - 20m²)² - 4(m² + 1)(100m² - 20m - 24) = 0 ...... Poof...!
⇒ 300m² - 80m - 96 = 0 ...... Solve with (-b±√(b² - 4ac))/(2a)...
⇒ m1 = (2+2√19)/15 and m2 = (2-2√19)/15 ...... Now we have the gradient, c = y - mx...
⇒ c1 = 1 - 10m1 and c2 = 1 - 10m2 ...... So...
⇒ c1 = (-1-4√19)/3 and c2 = (-1+4√19)/3 ....Subtitute into x² + y² = 25...
⇒ x² + (mx + c)² - 25 = 0 ...... Expand and cleanup...
⇒ (m² + 1)x² + 2mcx + c² - 25 = 0 ...... Solve with (-b±√(b² - 4ac))/(2a)...
⇒ (-(2mc) + √((2mc)² - 4(m² + 1)(c² - 25)))/(2(m² + 1)) ... THIS IS MADNESS...
⇒ x1 = 2.906821678 ...... Subtitude into y = mx + c and solve...
⇒ y1 = -4.068216776

So the first point of tangent is... approximately (2.9,-4.1)...
... There's no way I am gonna find the other point of tangent.
This is crazy. ( Took me 3 hours to solve the mistakes ).
At last I end up using online tools.

Okay, next, I tried using soroban's:
[math]⇒ (y - 1)/(x - 10) = -x/y ⇒
⇒ y² - y = -x² + 10x ⇒ 10x + y = x² + y² ⇒ y = 25 - 10x
⇒ x² + (25 - 10x)² = 25
⇒ x² + 625 - 500x + 100x² - 25 = 0 ⇒ 101x² - 500x + 600 = 0
Solving 101x² - 500x + 600 = 0 with (-b±√(b² - 4ac))/(2a)...
⇒ x1 = 2.906821678 x2 = 2.043673372 ... Am I seeing things?
Subtituting x1 and x2 into y = 25 - 10x...
⇒ y1 = -4.068216776 and y2 = 4.563266281

Resulting: (Sorry The image is over-sized...)
tangent3.png

... x1 ≈ 2.906821678, y1 = -4.068216776 and x2 = 2.043673372, y2 = 4.563266281.
Wow... I solved this at once using soroban's method.
I'm sorry I misread the method, I thought it was something else.

Thank you Bobbym, Uh... Soroban, and Raghuram. roflol
Thanks for a lot more than a dozen even more than a lot of a bunch!dizzy
Thank you! ( I don't know what else to say. )

#3 Re: Help Me ! » Finding 2 Tangents Of A Circle Given A Point? » 2011-01-21 11:54:41

bobbym wrote:

Hi kei10;

That is not exactly correct, the tangent is always perpendicular to the radius at the point. Unless I am misunderstanding it their method will always work too.

Please understand that I only provided the method I used because Raghuram had already solved it in that way. I just wanted to show you that there is always another way.

Soroban is a very clever guy and it pays to look over his ideas.

You can of course use the method that you are most comfortable with. That is a smart way to work.

Hi.

Perhaps I'm wrongly analyzed the method.
I think I am having difficulty of your method since it's so hard. dizzy
Then I will try comparing to sorobans and raghuram's. wink
I'll try harder anyway.
Well, Thanks!

#4 Re: Help Me ! » Finding 2 Tangents Of A Circle Given A Point? » 2011-01-21 11:30:33

soroban wrote:

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Thanks, It helps a lot. roflol
But in other words, that probably works only when the shape of the tangent is perpendicular.
But bobbym's method works on every points, and even tangents.
... except it needs a lot of hard work on expanding/cleaning up the equations.

Thanks a lot more than a bunch! dizzy

#5 Re: Help Me ! » Finding 2 Tangents Of A Circle Given A Point? » 2011-01-21 02:18:43

I've never thought of using discriminant of quadratic, I'm dumb!

But...

Oh boy oh boy thank you!!
Unbelievably splendidly awesome!!
Thank you very much. roflol
.. Thanks for a dozen more than a bunch! dizzy

Thanks.

#6 Help Me ! » Finding 2 Tangents Of A Circle Given A Point? » 2011-01-20 19:00:42

kei10
Replies: 15

Hi, I'm new to this forum.

Okay here's my question was...
Is it possible to find the point of the tangent of a circle given just a point?
There will be 2 tangents unless the point is directly on the circumference.

I know it's possible with given an equation of the circle and an equation of a slope.
But I can't solve this one...
tangent.png

Solving it without the use of Graph but just formula.
Given the center of the circle, (0,0) with the radius = 5.
And a point, (7,1).
The equation of the circle will be; [x^2 + y^2 = 25]
While the equation of the slope is unknown.

We have to find the point of the intersection of (x1,y1) and (x2,y2).
Is this possible? If there is, how?

Thanks.

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