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## #26 2012-04-01 02:40:15

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hi bob

Nice work! My formula looks similar to yours in that it uses {a}=a-floor(a) but all three of us got a different formula! That's so cool.

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## #27 2012-04-01 02:01:48

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Thanks. Now, please stop giving me interesting challenges for a while.  I've got a lot of stage equipment to sort out and put away.

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## #28 2012-04-01 02:09:14

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xaxa xD

you don't have to answer them if you don't want to

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #29 2012-04-01 02:11:25

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But it's the challenge!

Bob  and signing off before you sneak in another.

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## #30 2012-04-01 02:34:24

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#2)Find the general term of the sequence:

and

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #31 2012-04-01 03:19:32

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Oh !

I'll think about it.

You may have a long wait ..............

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still thinking

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## #32 2012-04-01 03:20:44

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hi bob

i think you need to reboot again.

i thought you would be mad at me

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #33 2012-04-01 03:23:08

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Hi Bob,

Good to know another nice formula!

Hi anonimnystefy,

G.f's can be used here to solve the recurrence.

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## #34 2012-04-01 03:26:54

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It tends to 2.7912878474779....... as n tends to infinity.  (quite quickly)

I don't suppose you would accept

f(n) = 2.791287847 for all n greater than 12, would you?  he he!

hi gAr,

where did G(x) come from?

Bob

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## #35 2012-04-01 03:33:04

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Hi Bob,

Yes, I think the question requires a(n) as n->∞, which is (1+√21)/2

G(x) is just a generating function for the series, chose x as a variable.

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## #36 2012-04-01 03:33:52

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hi gAr

nice work!and thanks for the GF.

did you try yourself at #2?

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## #37 2012-04-01 03:37:26

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Hi anonimnystefy,

You're welcome.
I think there's no closed formula for #2. It converges to a value.

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## #38 2012-04-01 03:40:56

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Oh, the generating function for 3,6,8,16 ......

I thought it was for the root 5 problem.

Doh!

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## #39 2012-04-01 03:47:05

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Ok!

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## #40 2012-04-01 03:55:03

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hi gAr

a_n=1/n - it converges.

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## #41 2012-04-01 04:00:01

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Hi,

a_n=1/n ?
I did not get you.

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## #42 2012-04-01 04:04:21

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that's a sequence that is convergent and has a closed form.

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## #43 2012-04-01 04:41:34

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I don't think gAr was saying convergent => no closed form but rather

(i) it has no closed form  AND (ii) it is convergent.

Did you just make it up or are you expecting that it has a formula (eg.  the book says so)?

Bob

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## #44 2012-04-01 04:44:04

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hi bob

I found that sequence before in a math magazine we get at school and the magazine was asking for a value of convergence.i just took the same sequence and just asked for a closed form.

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## #45 2012-04-01 04:56:53

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OK.  So maybe it is true that it has no closed form.

Where's bobbym when you need him?  I haven't seen him at all today.  Hope he is OK.

Do you know how to get the convergence?

Bob

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## #46 2012-04-01 05:27:07

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hi bob

i saw him around noon.yesterday i didn't see him much either.something might be happening with him.

yes,i do,but i don't know if it's mathematically accepted:

s=sqrt(5+sqrt(5+sqrt(...+sqrt(5+sqrt(5)))))
s=sqrt(5+s)
s^2-s-5=0
s= (1+sqrt(21))/2

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The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #47 2012-04-01 16:34:24

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Hi anonimnystefy,

That's what I answered in #35.

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

## #48 2012-04-01 20:18:04

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Hi gAr

yes,but bob asked me if I knew how to find it.

#3) Find the sum of the first n terms of the sequence:

1,11,111,1111,11111,111111,1111111,...

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## #49 2012-04-01 20:29:35

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Hi,

Ok.

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

## #50 2012-04-01 20:35:28

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Hi gAr

Yes,but you haven't answered the question!

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