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**mandy jane****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-23
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hi bobbym mandy here could I find the book you menchon on amzon then ? let me know please ?

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Hi Mandy

I've copied the EdExcel content list for foundation level into a word document. I'll attach it to an email for you. There are 94 separate topics under 6 headings: number; algebra; ratio; geometry; probability; statistics. Each topic is given a code such as N1, S3 and so on. Between today and June 1st 2018 there are 511 days so that works out at about 5 days to do each topic allowing a bit of spare time for holidays etc. That's quite a pace for you and you can see there's no room for slacking.

You need to decide for yourself what time of day and which days you are going to spend on this. If you post back with when you'd like to do lessons on-line I'll see if I can meet that. In the past we made best progress when we were on-line at the same time and therefore able to have a post to-and-fro.

These content lists always seem to start with 'number' and we seem to get bogged down in some tricky calculations. How about starting with something else such as geometry? There'll still be some sums; that's inevitable with maths; but at least you'll be getting some pictures to go with the work and that may help. And it'll help to give you some early success.

The first geometry topic, G1, is 'use conventional terms and notation: points, lines, vertices, edges, planes,

parallel lines, perpendicular lines, right angles, polygons, regular polygons

and polygons with reflection and/or rotation symmetries; use the standard

conventions for labelling and referring to the sides and angles of triangles;

draw diagrams from written description

You'll need a sharp pencil, a ruler, a compass and a protractor plus some plain A4 size paper.

Have a look at that list and post back with any of those words that you don't know. Then I'll set you some drawing exercises.

Bob

ps. I see you have posted while I was typing this. I'll have a look on Amazon and post again.

Children are not defined by school ...........The Fonz

You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Children are not defined by school ...........The Fonz

You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

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**mandy jane****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-23
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hi dose David or Chris still come on here if so if they remember me could they get in touch with me ? I would like to hear from them ok or anyone else that remember me ok ? hope to hear from someone soon ?

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**mandy jane****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-23
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is Steve b still on here if so could he send me a message it would be good to hear from him ?

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**Mathegocart****Member**- Registered: 2012-04-29
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mandy jane wrote:

is Steve b still on here if so could he send me a message it would be good to hear from him ?

Mandy; SteveB has been inactive since a few days ago, he will probably answer you because of his conspicuous email alerts.

EDIT: that was a trivialization of the current conditions: he hasn't posted since a few *months* ago..

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**SteveB****Member**- Registered: 2013-03-07
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Hi Mandy. Yes I am here. I can help with some topics. If it requires a lot of diagrams I will have to remind myself how to do them because

it is a long time since I have done that sort of thing. I will have to download GeoGebra (or whatever) and I think there is a website where

you can post an item and put in here a link to it. I suggest that you make sure you don't spend too long on the topics: if there are 94 of

them then you really should stick to 5 days on each one.

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**SteveB****Member**- Registered: 2013-03-07
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I suggest that you look back to post 1877 where Bob says

"use conventional terms and notation: points, lines, vertices, edges, planes,

parallel lines, perpendicular lines, right angles, polygons, regular polygons

and polygons with reflection and/or rotation symmetries"

Which of these terms do you understand already and which don't you understand? We can discuss the ones that you don't know.

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**mandy jane****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-23
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hi Steve b what did Mathegocart mean in his message about you then as not sure ? can you let me know and thanks for your message I will send you message back tomorrow ok ?

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**mandy jane****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-23
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hi bob bundy dose the course Edexcel cost for me to do if so how much would it be ? can you let me know so I can sore it out please ?

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**Mathegocart****Member**- Registered: 2012-04-29
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mandy jane wrote:

hi bob bundy dose the course Edexcel cost for me to do if so how much would it be ? can you let me know so I can sore it out please ?

I'm currently within the US, so I don't necessarily know the specifics, though this seems to be the general costs.. https://knowledgebase.edexcel.com/wp-co … 5-2016.pdf.

Press Control + F and type in the box "maths" which will immediately bring you the costs of Maths subject fees.

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**mandy jane****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-23
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hi could Steve b or Bob Bundy tell me how much the Edexcel course would be then so I can start doing it now please that would be good if I could get that today so I can sort things out ?

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Mandy,

Mathegocart has given you a link to EdExcel's entry charges for 2016. It was £16.50 for maths GCSE. It'll probably be more by 2018. You don't have to pay anything now; when you put in your entry you pay at that stage. As an external candidate the school may also make a charge for handling your entry and the extra admin costs for them. I'll try to find out and let you know soon.

There are two other GCSE exam boards in the UK. As there is keen competition between them charges won't differ much.

At this stage don't worry about entry costs. Let's get going with the work. You haven't replied to my post about G1 geometry yet. Look again at post number 1877.

Take care that you don't miss posts on this thread. After you make a post there may be several replies. You need to scroll back and read them all.

Bob

Children are not defined by school ...........The Fonz

You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

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**mandy jane****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-23
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hi Bob Bundy i now little about geometry ok can u help and yes i will looj later and let u kbow when i will be on here day and time ok send message back please

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**SteveB****Member**- Registered: 2013-03-07
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Hi Mandy. I presume that you know what a point is because that really is just a dot in a particular place. Often co-ordinates are used to specify a point.

For example (3,4) might be a point meaning 3 units across (to the right) from the origin (0,0) and 4 units vertically upwards.

A straight line is another fairly self explanatory concept which is a line connecting two points.

What about vertices? A vertex is a point where two lines meet.

'Vertex' is the singular form and 'vertices' is the plural form (for more than one vertex).

I should think that you know what an edge is.

It is used usually to mean either all or part of the outer lines or line of a 2 dimensional shape often referring to a line that connects two vertices.

In 3 dimensions an edge is the line where two planes meet, or once again the line that connects two vertices of a solid polyhedron.

A polyhedron is a solid object with a certain number of faces and where each face has several edges.

A polygon is a 2 dimensional shape made up of a number of edges.

It must be a closed shape, in that if you start at one of the vertices and trace around all of the edges you must get back to where you started.

All of the edges are straight lines and there must be a finite number of them.

A regular polygon is a polygon in which all of the edges are of equal length and all interior angles at the vertices are equal.

A 3 sided regular polygon is a equilateral triangle in which each angle is 60 degrees. All of the edges are the same length.

A 4 sided regular polygon is a square - it has 4 interior angles of 90 degrees, and all of the sides are the same length.

Let us suppose that you have a triangle and the points of the vertices are labelled A, B and C. The 3 vertices are simply A, B and C.

Angles would be written so that you have an angle sign which is two lines meeting at a point with the point on the left,

one horizontal line to the right and one line diagonally up and to the right followed by three letters with the MIDDLE letter

referring to the vertex of the angle and the other two letters would be the two edges that go away from the middle lettered

vertex to form the start and finish of the angle.

For instance the interior angle of vertex A would be angle CAB or angle BAC.

I cannot create the character for the angle (although some Latex might help) so I will write "angle" for this instead.

A line would be either AB, BC, CA, BA, CB, or AC. For most uses the order of the two letters does not matter with lines unless direction needs to be shown.

I remember that when I was doing GCSE maths an arrow would be put above the two letters, but we could just write "line AB" an so on.

An exercise for you might be to draw a triangle with the points A, B, and C and pick one of the 3 interior angles and write down the notation for the angle chosen.

Also do the same for one of the sides. Try to make it clear on your diagram which angle you are writing the notation for and which line.

If you are able to then I suggest you do an exercise along those lines and produce a picture of it and put it up in a post using Imgur and a link.

(If you have forgotten how to produce and display a picture then let us know which bit you are stuck on.)

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**mandy jane****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-23
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hi Steve B yes I have forgot how to produce and display a picture can you show me please ?

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**SteveB****Member**- Registered: 2013-03-07
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I am going to work through an example and give a report of each step that I take. I have used GeoGebra to make the picture.

(1) First I have installed GeoGebra from https://www.geogebra.org/download (Windows option) and run it and selected 'Geometry' from the list of options.

[Of course if you are doing this on pen and paper then you just need to make the drawing take a photo of it and load the

photo on to your computer. Skip past step 1 if you are doing it this way and go ahead and photograph and load in your picture.]

I have then selected from the tool bar at the top five icons along the "polygon" option which has an icon of a triangle.

I have selected 3 points using the mouse, ending with selecting the first point to tell it that I want a 3 sided polygon.

I have then right clicked on the mouse and selected 'show label' for each point/vertex.

I have taken a "print screen" using the prt sc key in the top right of the keyboard.

I have loaded up "Paint" from the windows accessories, and selected "paste", then cropped the image using "select" and "crop"

so that only the bit needed is chosen.

I have saved (Save As) the picture as a JPEG.

(2) Having got a picture in a suitable format saved on the hard disk somewhere such as in a "documents" area on the computer

I will go to http://imgur.com/ and 'Sign In' using my username/email address and password. I am assuming that you have an account.

(3) From the menu at the top right of the screen I have selected "images" then selected the button "Add Image", and then gone to

the documents place on the hard disk and selected the saved picture file.

(4) I have then selected my new picture.

(5) I have selected "Copy" from "BB Code". (This is the second last option on the right of the screen after selecting the picture.)

(6) In the Math Is Fun Forum post logged in, I then paste in the image link text using "ctrl" and "V" on the keyboard or paste from the right click menu.

The result is this:

Here is the code with [ replaced by open square bracket and ] replaced with closed square bracket.

open square bracket img closed square bracket http://i.imgur.com/shOaCNH.jpg open square bracket /img closed square bracket

Here is the finished image of a triangle:

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**mandy jane****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-23
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hi Steve b I will look at wait you sent me ok and get back to you later today ok ?

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**SteveB****Member**- Registered: 2013-03-07
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Okay. I will check the forum later today. Bye for now.

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**mandy jane****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-23
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hi Steve B or anyone els what is the edecle work lay out so I know what quention I am to answers please ? as I am not sure what I am to work out ok ? can you send me message back please ?

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**mandy jane****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-23
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hi mandy here I am not sure what I am to do where the question are ok so can someone help me out with edexcel foundation maths gcse please then I can get on ok?

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**SteveB****Member**- Registered: 2013-03-07
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I think that Bob's email was to tell you what all of the things were that you had to learn - the syllabus.

To have actual questions to answer is a different matter. There can be a huge range of questions that can be asked for each sub topic.

I am usually capable of thinking of questions on a particular topic, however you might want something that is both professional and official.

I have seen on this website: http://qualifications.pearson.com/en/qu … -2015.html

that there are specimen papers and material. I also know that there are books like "GCSE Maths Complete Revision & Practice with online edition - Foundation"

and "GCSE Maths Workbook - Foundation the Basics" with answers in "GCSE Maths Foundation Answers (for Workbook) - The Basics".

I could do with knowing what Bob Bundy thinks about this so DO NOT BUY ANYTHING YET.

The books that I have quoted are not very expensive - however we may not be able to discuss those specific questions online.

A better thing might be for myself and Bob to make up questions based on the syllabus and get you to try and answer them.

If we have made up the questions ourselves then we can discuss them freely. I am not sure about ones from a book !!

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**Mathegocart****Member**- Registered: 2012-04-29
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Hi, I could help with you[Mjane] with comprehending the material, though I would like BB to specify what to teach you.

- Thanks, M.

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**SteveB****Member**- Registered: 2013-03-07
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If Mandy is happy about starting with Geometry and Measures then 'G1' in the syllabus describes the first thing that she needs to learn.

It says:

"use conventional terms and notation: points, lines, vertices, edges, planes,

parallel lines, perpendicular lines, right angles, polygons, regular polygons

and polygons with reflection and/or rotation symmetries; use the standard

conventions for labelling and referring to the sides and angles of triangles;

draw diagrams from written description"

So the first thing would be to teach Mandy any of that that she does not already know about - probably most of it is new to her.

By the way Mandy:

Parallel lines means lines that they are an equal distance apart at each point.

Perpendicular lines means that the two lines are at 90 degrees to each other.

What Mandy might like to do as an exercise is google search each of those terms and read up on what they mean.

For questions on this perhaps we should have a diagram and then ask Mandy a few questions based on the diagram.

She can also go back to my post from earlier where I said:

"An exercise for you might be to draw a triangle with the points A, B, and C and pick one of the 3 interior angles and write down the notation for the angle chosen.

Also do the same for one of the sides. Try to make it clear on your diagram which angle you are writing the notation for and which line.

If you are able to then I suggest you do an exercise along those lines and produce a picture of it and put it up in a post using Imgur and a link."

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**SteveB****Member**- Registered: 2013-03-07
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Another exercise for Mandy:

G1A

Above is a four sided polygon. I have sketched in markings which make the interior angles 90 degrees.

So angle DAB, angle ABC, angle BCD and angle CDA are all 90 degrees in size.

Question G1A1: What term beginning with "p" could be used to describe lines AD and BC ?

Question G1A2: What term beginning with "p" could be used to describe lines AD and DC ? (This is not the same as G1A1.)

Question G1A3: Assuming that lines AD and DC are not of equal size, what is the name of this shape ?

Question G1A4: If lines AD, DC, CB and BA were all equal in size what would the name of the shape be

(that is different to the answer to G1A3) ?

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