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#1 2013-01-08 16:16:18

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Combinatoric/Probability Problem

Hi guys again! I need help with this problem:
Berry Kold Creamery has four flavors of ice cream: vanilla, pistachio,black walnut, and strawberry.The daily sundae has three scoops of ice cream. How many variations of the sundae are there?
I don't need the numerical answer, I would just like how you would set the combination for the question to solve it.
Thanks!
Edited to explain more clearly, I hope this helps bobbym

Last edited by infinitebrain (2013-01-08 17:04:02)


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#2 2013-01-08 16:29:20

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Re: Combinatoric/Probability Problem

Hi;

I am not understanding the terminology.

A creamery has four flavors.The daily sundae has three scoops.

Four flavors of ice cream? Three scoops of what?

If you just want 3 scoops of the 4 flavors then there are

different types.


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#3 2013-01-09 16:34:52

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Re: Combinatoric/Probability Problem

The total ways of getting a three scoop cone would be:


This is because we can get multiple stuff of one flavor.


I see you have graph paper.
You must be plotting something
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#4 2013-01-09 17:00:15

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Re: Combinatoric/Probability Problem

Hi cooljackie;

It is not that simple, there are 64 different sundaes if the order of the scoops counts 4 x 4 x 4 = 64 but only 20 if the order does not count.


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#5 2013-01-09 20:13:40

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Re: Combinatoric/Probability Problem

hi

Berry Kold Creamery has four flavors of ice cream: vanilla, pistachio,black walnut, and strawberry.The daily sundae has three scoops of ice cream. How many variations of the sundae are there?

To me, this means you can buy an ice cream called a daily sundae, which means you get three scoops of ice cream.  You can choose the flavours for your scoops: so you could have all three different; or have some repeats.  Order of repeats wouldn't matter; how you eat them is independent of the purchase order!  smile

So I'll split the problem according to how many repeats.

(i) No repeats:  I can choose 4, then 3 then 2 = 4C3 = 4

VPW; VPS; VWS; PWS

(ii) Two the same,  third different: Choose the repeat in 4 ways, choose the one different   3  = 12

VVP; VVW; VVS;  PPv; PPW; PPS;  WWV; WWP; WWS; SSV; SSP; SSW.

(iii) All three the same.  = 4

VVV; PPP; WWW; SSS

Total = 4 +12 + 4  = 20

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#6 2013-01-10 00:35:24

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Re: Combinatoric/Probability Problem

Interestingly enough, the solution is also 6C3


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#7 2013-01-10 06:47:06

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It is also bobbym's age but I'm sure it is just a coincidence.  smile

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#8 2013-01-10 07:02:06

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I actually got the solution 6C3 from using a GF:

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#9 2013-01-10 07:07:08

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Until infinitebrain gives a little more...


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#10 2013-01-10 08:07:54

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Hm?


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#11 2013-01-10 08:10:43

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If order counts? If he wants different scoops or not.


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#12 2013-01-10 08:31:02

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He does not. That is how you choose ice-cream scoops...

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#13 2013-01-10 09:28:52

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He does not what?


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#14 2013-01-10 09:33:06

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He does not want it without repetitions.


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#15 2013-01-10 10:11:02

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Then don't you think 64 is the answer as I said above?


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#16 2013-01-10 10:16:35

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No, because you count vanilla, vanilla, strawberry combination 3 times! Order does not count.


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#17 2013-01-10 10:17:50

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That is very good! So you agree with my answer of 20 in post #4 for when order does not count.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#18 2013-01-10 10:22:56

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Yes!

Look at post #8.

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#19 2013-01-10 10:34:51

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I know, I saw it. It is very good.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#20 2013-01-10 10:45:17

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And very simple...


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#21 2013-01-10 10:51:43

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Hi;

Have you actually expanded your gf from post #8?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#22 2013-01-10 11:35:28

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Fixed it. I had my GFs mixed. smile


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#23 2013-01-10 11:41:07

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Hi;

Looking good!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#24 2013-01-10 11:57:53

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Thanks!


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#25 2013-03-08 12:34:03

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Re: Combinatoric/Probability Problem

Oh yes thanks guys for this! big_smile Thanks to you and a little more studying I figured it out!


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