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Is the formula same as filling it up with trapeziums?

How much n do you want me to take?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, they are rectangles with a triangle on top.

To know n beforehand we must have an error estimate.

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Hmm...

How to have that?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I already do:

with that we can answer the question.

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But we still do not know n!

How did you come up with that formula?

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Those are well known from books on numerical analysis and elsewhere. I believe it is derived from the Taylor series. We are going to compute n using that formula!

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Define error before that.

Its sad to note that I cannot differentiate cos(x)^100

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You have defined it!

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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I do not understand the formula at post 29, what did you put between f''()

Please help me with differentiating cos(x)^100

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Hi;

That is xi, it represents a number between a and b that makes errror a maximum.

For the sake of speed, I will differentiate it for you.

Remember we are in computer land here, not in the real world. Throw your pencil and paper out the window but make sure you do not hit anybody with them.

Maxima or any other CAS can get that second derivative immediately and in this field you are encouraged to use it. If you can not do the differentiation what then? We will talk about that at the end. Let us not be slowed down by side issues of differentiation or computing numbers. These are tasks unrelated to what the question is.

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I wrote the function and I am getting 0.12501848174018745

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Agnishom;

You are a fireball! But do not get ahead of me so fast.

What function?

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```
>>> from math import cos
>>> def integrate(f, a, b, n):
s = 0
for k in xrange(1, n):
s += f(a + ((k*(b-a))/n))
s += 0.5*(f(a) + f(b))
s *= (b-a)/n
return s
>>> f = lambda x: (cos(x))**100
>>> integrate(f, 0, (3.141592653589793/4),1000)
0.12501848174018745
```

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Haha!

You went to Wikipedia! That is the code for the above formula I gave you.

Let me rant a bit...

Please help me with differentiating cos(x)^100

Post that in help me and I will work with you on it there.But let us proceed quickly and smoothly to our goal of getting a trapezoid rule answer.

You have asked me to teach you, I will give you the tricks of the trade. So far only two others have been able to follow them. We will now find out how crazy you really are. Are you prepared to take the red pill, to go down the rabbit hole?

If yes, then lets see why that code works?!

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Haha!

You went to Wikipedia! That is the code for the above formula I gave you.

-_-

No, I wrote it all by myself. I even made a few mistakes and had to correct it with a few tries.

Yes, I am prepared for the red pill. Please continue...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is very good!

Since you have programmed the trapezoid rule, you understand it better than most mathematicians. That will make many angry at me. But it is not my opinion but the opinion of Doron Zeilberger.

Then we can proceed with the question how do I know how many n to use?

I gave you this formula,

and the somewhat enigmatic statement

That is xi, it represents a number between a and b that makes errror a maximum.

How do we use that?

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bobbym wrote:

You have defined it!

Nope. I have not. What is error?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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You said 4 significant figures. Since we have an estimate given for the integral, that implies an error of .00005

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Ok, what about xi?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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xi is a value in the closed interval a,b that maximizes the value of error. Let's see how to compute that.

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Hmm

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It looks terrible..

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes and the error estimate is wildly inaccurate so we will do it the old fashioned way. When you ran your routine for n = 4 what did you get?

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I did not run the routine for n=4 ever

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Can you do it now?

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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