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#51 2014-04-06 06:34:03

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

Agnishom wrote:

You must judge something in order to understand it.

Its the other way round. Judging is a moral process, by the way. I, being an immobile computer, cannot do judging.

Morality is a aubjective and arbitrarily defined concept, so you as a possessor of reason also have a moral by which you judge.

Agnishom wrote:

I think it is true.

Do you think it applies to you?


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#52 2014-04-06 06:37:40

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

Morality is a aubjective and arbitrarily defined concept,

Is that true? Are you sure?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#53 2014-04-06 06:45:54

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In theory, yes. People do tend to have similarly defined moral, though.

Yes, I know that leaves the possibility of people abusing it for actions most other people define as evil, but those people do those things already, without needing a philosophical idea to back them up.

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#54 2014-04-06 06:48:56

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

Morality- beliefs about what is right behavior and what is wrong behavior.

To have none, implies that the being does not know right from wrong. This also implies the being is mentally unbalanced.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#55 2014-04-06 06:52:04

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

bobbym wrote:

Morality- beliefs about what is right behavior and what is wrong behavior.

To have none, implies that the being does not know right from wrong. This also implies the being is mentally unbalanced.

With that I agree. Everyone has some sort of morality. But no everyone has the same.


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#56 2014-04-06 06:57:48

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

Actually I believe in just the opposite. The unstable mind has trouble with good and evil. We can say it is pathological or sick. The conscience of a normal being is his compass. It will steer that being to correct action.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#57 2014-04-06 07:15:56

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

The thing is, there is no universally defined good and evil. There is a difference with absence of ability to make a difference between good and evil and having an opposite sense of morality from most people. If your evil is everyone's good, then everybody else is wrong.

But, even "moral" beings do not agree entirely on what is moral and what is not. (See Roe v. Wade, for example)


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#58 2014-04-06 08:13:46

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The day the US supreme court can even make an intelligent decision on what color the Mens Room should let alone morality will be day long remembered.

The one I am talking about is universal as gravity. We do not need to ask a court to decide about that.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#59 2014-04-06 09:10:13

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

You people are so philosophical... I can barely understand what you are talking about in some of these threads.

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#60 2014-04-06 09:12:50

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

A week later, I can never understand it either.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#61 2014-04-06 11:14:02

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

Hi bobbym

Have you ever read "The Foundation"?


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#62 2014-04-06 12:47:39

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

I have never even heard of it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#63 2014-04-06 12:48:41

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

The Asimov books?

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#64 2014-04-06 13:17:52

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

anonimnystefy wrote:

The thing is, there is no universally defined good and evil.

That is why I do not judge people.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#65 2014-04-06 13:20:24

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

The thing is that statement is false.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#66 2014-04-06 13:21:32

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

Please define the universal good and evil, then


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#67 2014-04-06 13:23:19

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

The Universal good is agreed to be the definition of God.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#68 2014-04-06 14:33:47

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#69 2014-04-06 14:52:39

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

Wow the horsedance! Those horses sure are talented.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#70 2014-04-06 15:20:19

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

link?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#71 2014-04-06 15:25:48

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

bobbym wrote:

The Universal good is agreed to be the definition of God.

Hm, which god would that be?


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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#72 2014-04-06 20:44:33

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Hi Agnishom;

Your link in post #68.

Hi anonimnystefy;

Mine!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#73 2014-04-06 22:48:44

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

But, if someone does not accept your god, he does not have to agree to the moral standards set by him.


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#74 2014-04-07 00:46:13

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

Morality is not something given to humans by a god. Atheist people are not necessarily immoral.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#75 2014-04-07 05:14:13

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Re: Do you lead a Gangnam Style Life?

But, if someone does not accept your god, he does not have to agree to the moral standards set by him.

That is between him and God. But here on earth he had better to agree to laws that his country sets. Luckily, in a lot of cases these laws provide something like a moral structure for people to follow.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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