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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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"A polynomial p(x) of degree two or less which takes values y0 y1 and y2 at three distinct values x0 x1 x2 respectively is given by {the la grange's interpolation polynomial}" use this data to answer

1.) A polynomial of degree 2 which takes values y0 , y0 , y1 at points x0 x0+t x1 t is not equal to 0 is given by?

2.) A polynomial of degree 2 and "a" not equal to 0 or 1 then p(x) is....

3.) in last question if a tends to 0 then p(x) is given by

i don't know what this " la grange's interpolation polynomial is" can somebody tell me about it and explain a way to answer these question. i did not have this in my class so i find it hard to understand

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gourish;

It is not a whole lot more than plugging in:

just remembering that j ≠ k in 2).

Are you restricted to only the Lagrange interpolation formula?

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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yeah only that... plus i don't know what the Lagrange's interpolation formula is... so can you help me with that

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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The formula is best demonstrated with a live example.

Want to see one?

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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yeah for sure.... quite excited to see it

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Actually, it is a primitive idea and I am wondering why they still teach it like they do but here is the example.

You are familiar with a set of xy coordinates that are represented as ordered pairs.

{(0,1),(1,5),(2,18),{3,85)}

We have 4 points so that means we can fit a 3rd order poly through them and get an exact fit. This is much easier to see if you use other methods but for right now follow my signature.

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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ok i get it.. but does it mean that it's the other way of saying "look there is a relation between two sets and i can get so and so number of functions out of the relations set"?

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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but can you just show me how to use it with an example

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Actually what it is saying is that you will need n simultaneous equations to fit n points and the result will be an (n-1)th order polynomial but lets not get caught up with jargon, lets see how we can determine the answer using Lagrange.

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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yeah that's what i want to learn....

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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Compute f(0.3) for the data

x

0

1

3

4

7

f

1

3

49

129

813

using Lagrange's interpolation formula (Analytic value is 1.831)

this is what i found on the net. can you show me how to find answer to this question using Lagrange's formula

reference for the actual question :http://mat.iitm.ac.in/home/sryedida/public_html/caimna/interpolation/lagrange.html

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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That problem is bigger than the one in post #6 so it is more work but it it is not more informative. It will also require more time to post, I therefore recommend the smaller problem first.

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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ok yeah let's go with the smaller one then....

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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I will need some time to post the latex...

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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okay i can wait.. you take your time and post....

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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We start with:

Where f(2) = 18 and x1 = 1.

Using the formulas;

we get:

Adding all the l's up using 2) in post #2:

So the Lagrangian polynomial for that data is

Now do you see why I would never use this method?

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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i would rather hit my head on the desk then use this formula... it's better to guess on the answer from the choices....

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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I would think that the whole process could be automated.

But much easier is just solving a linear set of equations.

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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yeah it kicks out the mystery of things in finding the solution thanks

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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You understand how it was derived?

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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no i am sorry the signs used are quite complicated for me. i never really came across these before...

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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i will go through them again and try to understand how it was derived....

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I meant the simultaneous set in post 18.

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**gourish****Member**- Registered: 2013-05-28
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i did not understand the l 2 and l 3 part and sorry i still couldn't understand how it was derived

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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If you want to fit a cubic to 4 data points perfectly you would start with the general form of a cubic.

and now just substitute the data points for x and y.

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