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**PatternMan****Member**- Registered: 2014-03-08
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You are seeing 3 semi circles and one whole circle. what is the area of the shaded region in terms CD?

*Last edited by PatternMan (2014-04-23 06:12:38)*

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Hi PatternMan

There's a theorem for circles (think it's called 'the rectangular property of a circle') as follows:

AD times DB = CD ^ 2

Does that help?

Bob

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Yes it does!

Write out areas in terms of AD and DB and subtract to get expression for green area. Lots of cancelling leaving you with an expression with AD.DB in it.

Proof of theorem coming up.

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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See diagram below.

In any circle let A, B C and E be points anywhere on the circumference, and D be the point where AB crosses CE.

Consider triangles ACD and EBD.

angle ACD = angle DBE ( angles subtended by the same chord AE )

angle ADC = angle BDE ( vertically opposite angles )

Therefore ACD and EBD are similar triangles.

Your diagram is a special case where ADB is a diameter. => chord CE is bisected by ADB so CE = DE.

edit forgot to post the diagram

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Here it is.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

We can also use Analytical geometry. We assign A = (0,0) and B = (x,0) and D = (x1,0) then

So obviously

The area of the largest semicircle is

The area of the rightmost semicircle is

The area of the leftmost semicircle is

The area we want is:

Massive cleanup ensues.

Now you notice that the part on the right is DC^2 so we can replace that.

So the area in question is DC^2 * pi/4.

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bob bundy wrote:

Hi PatternMan

There's a theorem for circles (think it's called 'the rectangular property of a circle') as follows:

AD times DB = CD ^ 2

Does that help?

Bob

By the way, We have used this property in lower grades to mark irrational numbers like sqrt(2) on the real number line.

I suspect this can be proven with Pythagoras too.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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If I remember correctly, you learned that in grade 9... Is it already a lower grade?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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We learned that in grade 6. Don't know about him.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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Man... I made the thread diverge again

I recall seeing it in the grade 9 NCERT book.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Well, that does not mean they don't teach it earlier.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hmmm, but who knows one compelling reason why they should be teaching the method in post #6?

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ShivamS wrote:

If I remember correctly, you learned that in grade 9... Is it already a lower grade?

It is good enough. However, I am in Grade 11 now.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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Oh really? I kept remembering 10. But I guess the school year just ended.

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Yes, it just ended. I am not at all saying that Grade 9 people are inferior.

What is bobbym talking about in post 12?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Why don't we ask him?

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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Agnishom, of course not.

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**ElainaVW****Member**- Registered: 2013-04-29
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What is bobbym talking about in post 12?

I know.

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why are you saying that post 6 is experimental?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi ElainaVW;

Hi Agnishom;

It is not what I think it is but what you think it is.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**ElainaVW****Member**- Registered: 2013-04-29
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It is experimental. He first used Geogebra to hammer out the details. Please post the Geogebra demonstration.

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That is rather cryptic, I do not get what you are talking about.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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We are getting off track here. Patternman and I saw him a while ago is happy.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**ElainaVW****Member**- Registered: 2013-04-29
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why are you saying that post 6 is experimental?

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=19346

Most of that he got from me!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is true and I thank you. Sort of like the tail wagging the dog...

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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