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#1 2014-09-23 17:50:00

HopeYouKnowWhoIam
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Please tell me if Coefficient[Product[(x+i),{i,100}],x,99] is 5050 because no CAS is working here?! help!!!!

#2 2014-09-23 18:40:30

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hi HopeYouKnowWhoIam

Welcome to the forum.  I, for one, don't know who you are.  dizzy

I also don't follow your syntax.  What are you multiplying (x + i) by ?

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#3 2014-09-23 18:49:45

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Hi Bob

It's M syntax. I'll try to run it, he basically wants the x^99 term of

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2014-09-23 18:55:04)


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#4 2014-09-23 18:54:15

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hi Stefy,

Thanks, I did wonder if that was the sort of thing meant.

Now is that i the 'summation' variable Ie the same as n in your version ?

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#5 2014-09-23 18:56:13

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What I mean is

is this (x+1)(x+2).....(x+100) or is it (x+i)^100 where i is a constant ?

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#6 2014-09-23 18:56:48

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Yes, it is, I have edited it accordingly.

If I am not mistaken, the x^99 term should be


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#7 2014-09-23 19:00:34

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The x^99 term will be found by picking 99 brackets with x and one bracket with a number and then adding them up.  So the coefficient is

Who needs a CAS ?

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#8 2014-09-23 19:06:45

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Ah, yes, that is correct. I was thinking of the x term.

Have you seen the thread that emerged? smile


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#9 2014-09-23 19:27:41

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Have you seen the thread that emerged?

?? Which thread ?

btw re-check your Latex in post 6.

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#10 2014-09-23 19:33:55

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What's wrong with my LaTeX?

What's my line?


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#11 2014-09-23 19:44:51

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Thank you, guys. It indeed is 5050. I did with combinatorics, I do not get the normal procedure anyway


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#12 2014-09-23 20:02:25

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Is this a Brilliant problem?


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#13 2014-09-23 20:13:58

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Stefy wrote:

What's wrong with my LaTeX?

This is what I'm seeing:

So what is 1/i when i = 0  ?

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#14 2014-09-23 20:16:03

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It is not a Brilliant problem. But it will become one soon.

The next knows how


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#15 2014-09-23 20:19:32

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That's no a Latex problem, it's me not checking. It should go from i=1 and is the answer for the incorrect problem.

Yes, I know.


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#16 2014-09-23 21:14:37

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Re: Please tell me

Hi HopeYouKnowWhoIam;

I know who you are. Someone who ain't been reading my computer math thread.

Coefficient[Product[(x + i), {i, 100}] // Expand, x^99]

is 5050 because no CAS is working here

There ain't nuthin a CAS can not do.

Agnishom wrote:

It is not a Brilliant problem. But it will become one soon.

Hoooha, I can not wait.


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#17 2014-09-23 21:42:25

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The command he posted works too:

Coefficient[Product[(x+i),{i,100}],x,99]

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#18 2014-09-23 21:47:09

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It does not work.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#19 2014-09-23 21:52:21

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In[1]:= Timing[Coefficient[Product[(x + i), {i, 100}], x, 99]]

Out[1]= {21.056764, 5050}

The OP is following your Computer Math thread. He could not get the CAS to work because he did not have it on the machine which he was using then.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#20 2014-09-23 21:54:32

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I repeat, that does not work. Efficiency counts.

AbsoluteTiming[Coefficient[Product[(x + i), {i, 100}], x, 99]]

AbsoluteTiming[Coefficient[Product[(x + i), {i, 100}] // Expand, x^99]]


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#21 2014-09-23 22:00:30

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bobbym wrote:

Mathematicians like simplicity. I like speed. Your solution is neither simple nor fast.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#22 2014-09-23 22:03:30

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It is over 40 times faster than the OP's solution on my machine! Please run the code.


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#23 2014-09-23 22:09:09

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In[2]:= AbsoluteTiming[Coefficient[Product[(x + i), {i, 100}], x, 99]]

Out[2]= {20.849901, 5050}

In[3]:= AbsoluteTiming[
 Coefficient[Product[(x + i), {i, 100}] // Expand, x^99]]

Out[3]= {0.008456, 5050}

In[5]:= %2/%3

Out[5]= {2466., 1}

Do you know why he could not get the CAS working?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#24 2014-09-23 22:12:08

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You seem to be agreeing with me... My solution is much faster and we can do better.

Do you know why he could not get the CAS working?

Who, what, when please.


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#25 2014-09-23 22:32:26

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Who

I am talking about the OP.

when

Today 11:20 Indian Standard Time

what

What what?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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