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#101 2014-12-29 22:06:24

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Re: Permutations

Okay


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#102 2014-12-29 22:11:25

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Re: Permutations

What people are they?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#103 2014-12-29 22:11:28

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Re: Permutations

The first type are recreational players. They never learn the secrets and are content to view a game of skill as a game of luck. They lose consistently and some become addicted.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#104 2014-12-29 22:13:47

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Re: Permutations

The other type is bobbym


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#105 2014-12-29 22:20:42

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Re: Permutations

No, the other type have a strong need to win. It is part of their life. They understand that what common people call luck and think can not be calculated, falls very neatly into statistics and probability. They see an opportunity to exploit the first group. They win consistently and some of them become addicted.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#106 2014-12-29 22:22:28

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Re: Permutations

Are you claiming that a pokar game never ends in draw?

Hmmm


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#107 2014-12-29 22:24:44

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Re: Permutations

The longer you play the closer you get to your theoretical expectation. You win so much or lose so much on every play regardless of the actual result.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#108 2014-12-29 22:27:19

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Re: Permutations

Okay


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#109 2014-12-29 22:34:25

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Re: Permutations

This is a very important concept. If I flip a coin with someone and he is willing to bet me 4 dollars on heads showing up for my 2 dollar on tails, then he will average losing ( 1 ) dollar each time he throws the coin. Even if he throws 100 heads in a row and is 400 dollars up his expectation shows that he really is 100 dollars loser.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#110 2014-12-29 22:38:14

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Re: Permutations

Yes, that is correct


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#111 2014-12-29 22:40:54

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Re: Permutations

This is why it is no longer a game of chance. When you make bets with positive expectation then in the long run your winnings will approach your expectation.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#112 2014-12-29 22:42:50

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Re: Permutations

I did not claim it to be a game of chance. I do not know anything about it.

Why would some person want to bet 4 dollars for 2 dollars?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#113 2014-12-29 22:52:21

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Re: Permutations

It is of course a stupid bet but in p it happens all the time.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#114 2014-12-29 22:54:03

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Re: Permutations

Okay, what now?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#115 2014-12-29 22:57:14

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Re: Permutations

I have no idea, what more can I say?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#116 2014-12-29 22:59:56

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Re: Permutations

You could introduce me to the basics of pokar.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#117 2014-12-29 23:00:18

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Re: Permutations

Do you know what beats what?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#118 2014-12-29 23:02:51

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Re: Permutations

I'd say that A,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,K,Q,J is the sequence and a higher value defeats the lower?

Is it?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#119 2014-12-29 23:08:07

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Re: Permutations

That is partially true.

The highest hand is called a Royal Flush, it consists of A,K,Q,J,10 all of the same suits.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#120 2014-12-29 23:13:38

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Re: Permutations

So, the correct order is 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,J,Q,K,A?

What is a hand?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#121 2014-12-29 23:17:05

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Re: Permutations

A hand is 5 cards usually but sometimes more. You still try to make the best 5 card hand you can.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#122 2014-12-29 23:19:37

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Re: Permutations

Okay, so far.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#123 2014-12-29 23:26:27

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Re: Permutations

The second best hand is a straight flush. It is any 5 cards in order like 2,3,4,5,6 all of the same suit. Notice that a royal flush is a particular kind of straight flush.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#124 2014-12-29 23:29:31

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Re: Permutations

Are you going to ask me how many straight flush are there?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#125 2014-12-29 23:31:28

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Re: Permutations

How many?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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