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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi basketballstar123

This wasn't my proof, but here's how I know this to be true. The circle centred on G defines the point H. AHB is 90 at it is the angle at the circumference subtended by the diameter AB **. AB is parallel to CD so angle AHB = HBD (use x + y = 90).

Bob

** http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=17799 post #6

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**dazzle1230****Member**- Registered: 2016-05-17
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Is there a way to solve this problem by making ABP a medial triangle?

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**thickhead****Member**- Registered: 2016-04-16
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**dazzle1230****Member**- Registered: 2016-05-17
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Also, what is M and J?

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**thickhead****Member**- Registered: 2016-04-16
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phrontister wrote:

Good luck, Bob!

Yes, I thought there should be an easier way, too...as there was with this one, with ΔPEB being 1/3rd of ΔPCA.

Here's another diagram, with another property revealed by Geogebra: ie, CL = LP = HM. But again, I don't know how to use that info.

This time I've marked some of the equal-length lines.

This was the digram I was referring to.

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**dazzle1230****Member**- Registered: 2016-05-17
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How do you know that AB=LM without using geogebra?

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi dazzle1230;

How do you know that AB=LM without using geogebra?

AB & LM are opposite sides of rectangle ABML (from post #24):

Proof that H is CD's midpoint:

(i) ABML is a rectangle (tangent perpendicular to radiustheorem [see 'Tangent Angle' at bottom of page here] for points A & B; AB is parallel to CD [see post #1]; AE extends to L)

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**dazzle1230****Member**- Registered: 2016-05-17
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then wouldnt we have to prove that there are perpendicular lines?

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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With parallel lines (AB and CD in this case), a line that is perpendicular to one (eg, as a *tangent radius*) is perpendicular to both.

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**ET ag****Member**- Registered: 2017-02-22
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I like how this was a discussion about a certain proof, and then it somehow transformed about a discussion of a movie.

If a second was a minute, and a minute was an hour, how many hours would be in one day? (There are multiple answers and they are debatable)

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

This forum is kind of informal and friendly. Ask a question and help comes, it is that easy.

There really was only a bit about that movie, this thread is stuffed, I mean stuffed with geometry.

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**iamaditya****Member**- From: Planet Mars
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There are no posts about movie, I see.

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**zapyourtumor****Member**- Registered: 2017-04-19
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I tried the approach of defining point M as the midpoint of AB and point N as the midpoint of CD, and also tried the approach of defining N as a point on CD such that AM=MN, effectively working backwards, but it didn't work...

If ANB = 90, the midpoint of the hypotenuse, M, will also be the circumcenter of ANB, therefore AM=BM=NM. I don't know how to prove that ANB is a right triangle.

I also used some arc lengths and tangents to prove that angle BDP is congruent to ABP

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**zapyourtumor****Member**- Registered: 2017-04-19
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iamaditya wrote:

There are no posts about movie, I see.

A space odyssey, first page

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi zapyourtumor

Welcome to the forum.

This is a long thread and there's at least one other on this question. The answer to your question is in there somewhere; you just need to go back to the early posts. I recommend you use my labelling rather than using M and N. Then you'll find the answer.

Bob

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You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

Sometimes I deliberately make mistakes, just to test you! …………….Bob Bundy

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