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#3376 Re: Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-13 23:09:27

gAr

All I can say is you are modest. Maybe I have read your articles/books smile
Thanks for telling one more new math fact!

#3377 Re: Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-13 22:33:31

gAr

Whatever, but I consider it cool!
I don't know such advanced stuffs, so may not be able to understand how you derived it. I have heard only 'Riemann hypothesis', is it the same Riemann in 'Riemann Rearrangement'?
You are a polymath, I am a wannabe smile

#3378 Re: Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-13 21:16:43

gAr

Wow bobbym, that's awesome!!
Did you derive that, in a day?!

#3379 Re: Help Me ! » Square root word problem » 2011-01-13 16:10:55

gAr

Hi Charlie,

Any number that is a multiple of 100 is a prime number if you add the number 1 to it, right? like, 101, 201, 100000001, 2000000001, 1000000000001, 2000000000001, etc....

Not true, only 101 is prime.
There is no easy pattern or equation to find prime numbers, though there is a prime number theorem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number_theorem

Anyway, what's the correct question?
If I assume the question to be : "Find two numbers that, if multiplied, would generate a 400-digit number.", then one possible answer would be

#3383 Re: Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-12 23:26:09

gAr

Yes, we are all here to enjoy the math!

#3384 Re: Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-12 20:36:05

gAr

Thank you bobbym.
Once I know enough, I'll also start smile

#3385 Re: Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-12 19:53:10

gAr

I was checking the difference. On seeing its order of magnitude, I felt like that...
Thanks for the link.

#3386 Re: Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-12 19:22:14

gAr

Thanks bobbym, that's nice.
I didn't know the approximation was that simple... Should n be very large? I saw that the approximation deviated rapidly for n=300.

#3387 Re: Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-12 17:37:37

gAr

Hi 4DLiVing,
I can't say for now. It may be possible to derive the next line, like finding numbers in bell triangle or pascal triangle, but a closed form may not exist.

Hi bobbym,
Has anyone proved that a closed form cannot exist for recurrences like Stirling numbers? Is there any approximation like stirling's approximation for n!  ?

#3389 Re: Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-12 06:08:11

gAr

Yes, I went exactly to those two pages before replying smile
Thanks...

#3390 Re: Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-12 06:01:29

gAr

Wow! I see, Stirling's number of second kind.
But who saw it first, Stirling or Bell?!

#3391 Re: Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-12 04:58:27

gAr

Hi bobbym,

I'll tell how I calculated it.
When race results in -
1: No tie - i.e. [1 2 3] - the possibility is 3! ways
2: All tie - [1 1 1] - 1 way
3: 2 finish second -[1 2 2] - 3!/2! = 3 ways
4: 2 finish first - [1 1 2] - 3!/2! = 3 ways.

Hence totals to 13 ways. I hope I'm clear.

#3392 Re: Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-12 01:48:19

gAr

Mathsy, we must treat horses to be distinct... E.g. there are 13 ways for 3 horses to finish the race.

#3393 Exercises » Race with possibility of ties (permutations!) » 2011-01-11 23:38:19

gAr
Replies: 35

How many ways are there for a horse race with 6 horses to finish if ties are possible?

It somewhat looks like a multiset problem to me, but a finish like 1,3,3,5,5,5 isn't possible. Is there a solution other than by cases?
Can we generalise to n horses?

#3394 Re: Maths Is Fun - Suggestions and Comments » Implicit Equation Grapher » 2011-01-11 04:01:38

gAr

MathsIsFun, this is very good smile

and for this equation:

(x^2+y^2-1)((x-1)^2+y^2-1)((x-.5)^2+(y-.866)^2-1)((x+.5)^2+(y-.866)^2-1)((x+1)^2+y^2-1)((x+.5)^2+(y+.866)^2-1)((x-.5)^2+(y+.866)^2-1)=0

If you check this, it consists of individual equations of circle ( can we call them "multiple coaxal system of circles"? )

We can also multiply equations of straight lines.
E.g. a crosshair: (x^2+y^2-1)(x+y)(y-x)=0

#3395 Re: Help Me ! » Permutations, given a set of repeated digits » 2011-01-09 23:41:16

gAr

Thanks... you helped me to know the application of exponential generating function. smile

#3396 Re: Help Me ! » Permutations, given a set of repeated digits » 2011-01-09 23:05:01

gAr

E.g., from post#1, I need the 4-digit numbers to begin with 1.
So I keep the first position fixed to 1. Then for the remaining 3 digits, the set is reduced to {1,2,2,3,3,4,4,4,4}. So I use the generating function :

and then find the co-efficent of x^3. Is that right?

I'm also curious to know if there are other methods. It was once asked in an exam, so generating functions would be tedious to do by hand

#3397 Re: Help Me ! » Permutations, given a set of repeated digits » 2011-01-09 22:11:57

gAr

Last one thing to ask,
what if I want the chosen number to begin with 1?

Is this the generating function:

#3399 Re: Help Me ! » Permutations, given a set of repeated digits » 2011-01-09 21:24:40

gAr

Oh, I haven't dealt with multisets smile I did not know it was called a multiset... The books I have seen, as I remember, did not have the topic of multisets under generating function...

So, if I need to know the no. of 5-digit numbers, is it (co-efficient of x^5) * (5!) ?

#3400 Re: Help Me ! » Permutations, given a set of repeated digits » 2011-01-09 19:34:43

gAr

Hi bobbym,

good to know that there is a method, can you explain the method?
thanks..

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