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#43801 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-07-13 17:01:10

Mathematical Induction is a brilliant way of proving.
For example, the sum of the first n Natural Numbers is
n(n+1)/2.
For n=1, we get 1.
For n=2, we get 3.
Therefore, the summation formula works for 1 and 2.

Let's assume it is true for an arbitrary Natural Number k.
Therefore, the sum of the first k Natural Numbers would be k(k+1)/2.

For k+1, the sum would be k(k+1)/2 + (k+1),
that is [k(k+1) + 2(k+1)]/2, or [(k+1)(k+2)]/2

And, according to the formula we had at the beginning of the proof,
the sum of the first k+1 Natural Numbers would be [(k+1)(k+2)]/2

Since the two are equal, this can be said to be true for sum up to any natural number.

Similarly, it can be proved that:-
the sum 1² + 2² + 3² + 4² +... n²  = [n(n+1)(2n+1)]/6
and also
the sum 1³ + 2³  + 3³ + 4 ³  + ......... n³  = [n(n+1)/2]²

#43802 Re: This is Cool » Mathematic complexity » 2005-07-13 16:35:24

I think it is extremely perplexing here quod it is filled with members who smell like feet, but somehow they actually manage to smell differently as I have struggled to climb up lorries, which resemble large...

#43803 Re: Help Me ! » I find maths hard » 2005-07-12 23:51:15

Hannah,
Mathematics is fun when you try to understand the subject.
Trying to memorize the tables and the formulae may be difficult for some.
Yet, it is easier to get a good score in Mathematics than any other subject.
For example, When you forget what 7x7 is,
try to remember what 7x6 is, then add 7 to the result.
You can get doubts clarified here.

#43804 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-07-12 23:46:26

MathsIsFun wrote:
mathsyperson wrote:
MathsIsFun wrote:

Proofs are just way too strict.

Where did I say that?

Anyway, I agree with me. smile

Mathematical proof is based axioms and proven theorems, and proofs are viewed throough a microscope.
Euler had claimed x^4+y^4+z^4=w^4 had no solutions;
In 1988, Naom Elkies of Harvard University discovered that
2,682,440^4 + 15,365,639^4 + 18,796,760^4 = 20,615,673^4
Merely testing the first million numbers cannot constitute a mathematical proof! smile

#43805 Re: Puzzles and Games » Two cyclists » 2005-07-12 21:36:53

Maybe, I should have waited for some more days
before giving the solution.

#43806 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-07-12 21:32:51

Your reply seems convincing!
I shall take hard copies of your posts,
study them all again, then again,
before finally saying,
"You are right, Mathsy!" smile
Give me just a few days! smile

#43807 Jokes » Limericks » 2005-07-12 19:31:34

Jai Ganesh
Replies: 77

What is a limerick, Mother?
It's a form of verse, said brother
In which lines one and two
Rhyme with five when it's through
And three and four rhyme with each other.

There once was a boy named Reece
He ate and ate until he was obese
He had a big belly
and stuffed it with jelly
and all he wanted for his tummy was peace.

There once was a young boy named Nick
Who by chance was always being kicked
He tried not to fight
For he was smart, kind and bright
So he learned how to run really quick.

There once was an artist named Saint,
Who swallowed some samples of paint.
All shades of the spectrum
Flowed out of his rectum
With a colourful lack of restraint.

There once was a fly on the wall
I wonder why didn't it fall
Because its feet stuck
Or was it just luck
Or does gravity miss things so small?

#43808 Re: Puzzles and Games » Two cyclists » 2005-07-12 19:09:40

Speed = Distance travelled / Time taken

Let the distance travelled in 1 circle be C Units.
Speed of A = C Units/hour and Speed of B=6C Units/hour.

#43809 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-07-12 16:43:08

mathsyperson wrote:

I'm not good at proofs, but this is my attempt:

c is a constant, so there is only one value for y.

As shown in the expansion of y109376, the important coefficient will always take the form 2(y*6), because 6 is always the last digit. This means that this proof can be carried forward for any point on the chain of the magic number.[/proof]

There's probably a flaw in there somewhere, could someone check it please?

I am unable to find any serious flaw, yet,
I am not fully convinced.
I shall try with a much simpler number, viz. y76.
y76 is (y*10^2)+(7*10^1)+(6*10^0).
When this number is squared,
[This is of the form (a+b+c)²
which is equal to a² + b²  + c² + 2ab + 2bc + 2ac]
we get
10000y²  + 4900 + 36 + 14000y + 840 + 1200y
which is the same as
10000y² + 15200y + 5776
From this, it is clear, for any y belonging to Natural Numbers,
the last two digits are not affected. They continue to be 76.
But, does this conclusively prove there exists a value y such that
the last three digits of y76² are y76?

Mathsy, I am confused.

#43810 Re: Puzzles and Games » Two cyclists » 2005-07-11 23:29:30

MathsIsFun wrote:

... oh no, will he ever catch A?

Reminds me of Zeno's Paradoxes!
B is faster than A and would get past him eventually!

#43811 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-07-11 22:12:21

mathsyperson wrote:

We are only interested in the 10^6 coefficient of the square of this. That will be equal to 2(y*(6*10^0))+a constant made up of the expansion of the other powers of 10, but that does not involve y.
So, the 10^6 coefficient is 12y+c, which should only be equal to y for one value of y.
We are only interested in the last digit of 12y+c, so it can be called 2y+c without affecting our purposes. However big c is, it can also have all of its digits except the last removed.

Mathsy, how did you get '2(y*(6*10^0))+a constant made up of the expansion of the other powers of 10, but that does not involve y'?

#43812 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-07-11 19:14:12

Consider giving a link to the calculator on the Index page,
since not many may be aware, when the link is in this forum.

#43813 Puzzles and Games » Two cyclists » 2005-07-11 17:04:10

Jai Ganesh
Replies: 19

Two cyclists A and B go in circles,
A takes 1 hour to complete one circle,
and B completes 6 circles (the same circle as A) in an hour.
The question is, if the two start, in the same direction at
07.30 AM, when would they next cross each other?:)

#43814 Re: Puzzles and Games » A problem in measures » 2005-07-11 16:41:48

Yes, good thing he did. Now the problem is open to all, other than you, Mathsy.

#43815 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-07-11 16:37:25

Both x! and x^y work, but for larger values, as you rightly pointed out, it becomes very slow.
However, a useful tool.

#43816 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-07-10 23:29:27

This has got nothing to do with the proof,
I was just a bit inquisitive!:D

#43817 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-07-10 23:23:21

42576576769103890995893380022607743740081787109376

Mathsy, did you get this number too by exhaustion, just like you got the 30 digits????:)

#43818 Puzzles and Games » Underlying logic » 2005-07-10 23:02:40

Jai Ganesh
Replies: 3

I have put the numbers from 1 to 10 in three groups. Tell me, on what basis have I grouped the numbers. I shall give you a clue, but I am not sure if that would be of any help big_smile

                                               CLUE

(1,2,6,10)                                  RED

(4,5,9)                                      BLUE

(3,7,8)                                     GREEN

#43819 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-07-10 22:56:17

I'll give my opinion tomorrow on Mathsy's proof, when I start the day afresh;
Regarding including n!, it would be of immense help as combinatorics works mostly on
factorials;
nPr= n!/(n-r)!
and
nCr = n!/(n-r)!*r!
nPr gives the number of Permutations
and
nCr gives the number of combinations.
There is an approximation for factorials of higher numbers;
it is called the James-Stirling formula
n! is approximately equal to
√(2*Pi*n) multiplied by (n/e)^n
This is a brilliant approximation as the value of n goes up.

#43820 Re: Puzzles and Games » A problem in measures » 2005-07-10 20:23:14

You are right, Mathsy!

I think I should have put this in Puzzles and Games.

#43821 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-07-10 20:15:03

The layout is fine. Would it be possible to add 2^n? Thats the most important of powers.
And also n! if possible.

And Mathsy, its difficult to prove or disprove that there would always be a number in the sequence. But I strongly feel, the sequence would go on and on.

#43822 Re: This is Cool » Solve this! » 2005-07-10 17:00:53

Thanks, Rora,
but I don't understand how,
when I change the signature,
it changes in the earlier posts too!

#43823 Puzzles and Games » A problem in measures » 2005-07-10 16:58:46

Jai Ganesh
Replies: 5

A cylinder 6 inches in diameter is partially filled with water. A sphere 3 inches in diameter is gently dropped into the cylinder. To what further height does the water rise in the cylinder?

#43824 Re: Help Me ! » proportions » 2005-07-10 16:47:34

This can be explained in another way.
when you have a/b=c/d,
you get ad=bc.
In this problem,
3/(5x+1) = 2/9,
therefore, 9x3 = 2(5x+1)
27=10x+2
Move 2 to the other side, by changing the sign,
27-2 = 10x,
25=10x,
x = 25/10 = 2.5

#43825 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-07-10 16:38:09

Wow! Great job by you two!
I got to really thank both of you, Admin for putting the calculator on the site,
and Mathsy for making my job pretty easy!
I had 17 digits with me already, now you have given me 30!
I know, Mathsy, you have done a lot of homework....
Testing for all numbers 0-9 for twenty digits is a demanding job....
it requires squaring to be done 200 times! ( after 1787109376)

Regarding my ideas, my explanation is (not too sure),
2 and 5 are numbers that perfectly compliment each other in multiplication,
and I go back to my earlier post....
The last n digits of powers of 2 start repeating at every
2^(4 x 5^n-1). This is a hypothesis, it isn't proven yet.
It works till 2^2500, beyond that, not too sure! 2^2500 ends in 09376.

This is indeed, a great work by the Mathsisfun team!

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