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#26 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Un-defined physics part one. » 2011-01-24 12:55:29

bobbym wrote:

String theorists who now dominate particle physics believe in at least 11 spatial dimensions. Started with a paper sent to Albert Einstein by I do not remember who. There is I believe no experimental proof of any part of string theory just ask Sheldon Glashow. According to string theorists they do not reequire any.

It's rather ironic that, until such time that testable hypotheses are developed to test string theory, it lies outside the realm of science!

#27 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-24 12:07:05

SuperLynx wrote:

'R' ?!?!? My goal to learn matrices is I want to understand them for use in geometry and how they are used to manipulate geometry.

R would work very well for that, in combination with geometry related resources that tell what matrix operations and manipulations need to be performed for the geometry manipulations you wish to perform.

I've look for something I can understand, no such luck.

Linear algebra is a fairly advanced topic. If one hasn't mastered the recommended prerequisite topics, the subject matter can be extremely challenging. (It isn't necessarily easy even if you have mastered prerequisite material.)

I would like to know was the answer I posted in #284 correct ?

No, not for the matrix A given in post #282, where a = 1, b = 2, …, i = 9.

#28 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-24 11:42:51

SuperLynx wrote:

I don't have powerpoint.

Sign up for a free Live.com email address, which will give you access to Microsoft's online version of Office. Google has an online productivity suite that opens PowerPoint files, also.

Alternately, you can download OpenOffice.org for free, which runs on Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux operating systems.

#29 Re: Help Me ! » Advanced Calc homework - Inverse functions » 2011-01-24 11:37:34

bob bundy wrote:

Does that help to clear this up?

Bob

No, but thanks anyway for trying.

I already understood all that you've written in your previous post, but that isn't what was giving me problems. I apologize for not presenting my problem in a manner more easily understood.

What I needed to know is if f ⁻¹(A), for A ⊂ Domain of f exists when f is not injective, and if so, how is it defined. I've since found out that f ⁻¹ is indeed defined as a relation in such a case.

Thanks again.

#30 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-23 19:49:35

SuperLynx, that's the trick I use to remember the formula for 3×3 matrices. There are some tricks to make finding the determinant easier on larger matrices, but I don't recall exactly what they are at the moment. I'd have to reference my old Linear Algebra text, which isn't handy. I don't remember them because I don't manipulate matrices by hand regularly, and linear algebra is far less intuitive than working with scalars.

If you want to learn about them, your best option might be to find your own text. You should be able to find an old edition for very little money, and it would likely be more productive than trying to find the information in Internet forums.

Once upon a time, my College Algebra professor once told us that manipulating matrices is something we would likely never want to do by hand, that calculators and computers are much better suited for the task. While my Linear Algebra didn't share that sentiment, I've found it to be generally true.

Personally, I'm a big fan of R (the free, open source statistical software package), which is designed for manipulating large matrices.

#31 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-23 16:15:31

SuperLynx wrote:

What I'm curious about is why that rule is figured out as it is ?

Perhaps writing the formula the following way will make the pattern more obvious and the formula easier to remember:

Notice that if you drew a diagonal line from left to right, top to bottom, through the first element of the first row, the second element of the second row, and the third element of the third row, it would pass through

,
, and
. Also notice that the first term of the formula is
.


Now, draw another diagonal line, parallel to the first, starting at the second element of the first row, the third element of the second row, and (by wrapping around), the first element of the third row. That line passes through

,
, and by wrapping around, through
. Notice the second term is
.


Next, draw another diagonal line, parallel to the first two, starting at the third element of the first row, the first element of the second row (by wrapping around), and the second element of the third row. That line passes through

, and, by wrapping around, through
, and
. Notice the third term is
.



Now, let's draw more diagonal lines, but this time we'll draw them from top to bottom, right to left. (It might be helpful to use a different color pen for these lines.)


Start with the third element of the first row. Draw a line through the second element of the second row, and the first element of the first row. That line should pass through

,
, and
. Notice the fourth term in the formula is
.


Similarly, draw a diagonal line through

,
, and, by wrapping around, through
. Notice the fifth term in the formula is
.


Finally, draw a diagonal line through

, and, by wrapping around, through
and
. Notice the sixth term in the formula is
.


Also notice that all of the terms obtained from diagonal lines that run from top to bottom, left to right, are added in the formula. All of the terms obtained from diagonal lines that run from top to bottom, right to left, are subtracted from the formula.

#32 Re: Help Me ! » Advanced Calc homework - Inverse functions » 2011-01-23 12:20:08

Thanks Bob.

It seems my post wasn't clear regarding what it is that I don't understand. I'll try to give a concrete example to better illustrate my problem.

Let f = {(x, y) | y = x², xR, yR}.

What is f ⁻¹([0, ∞))? Is it defined? Is f ⁻¹([0, ∞)) = ∅? Is f ⁻¹([0, ∞)) defined as a relation (not a function) equal to the set of real numbers? Something else?

Also, is f(∅) = ∅?

At first I thought that the notation f ⁻¹(A) for some set A implied that f ⁻¹ is a function, which would imply that f is a bijection. But, being told that I can't assume f is a bijection leads me to believe that my initial belief is incorrect.

#33 Help Me ! » Advanced Calc homework - Inverse functions » 2011-01-23 08:01:51

All_Is_Number
Replies: 6

I'm having trouble understanding inverse functions in Advanced Calculus. Specifically, if a function is not bijective (in particular if it is not injective), is the inverse undefined or is it defined, but as a relation but not a function? Something else?

Here is one example from several similar problems on my homework:

Prove or provide a counterexample:

Let f:AB. If CA, then Cf ⁻¹( f( C)).

The professor stated that we cannot assume f is bijective.

The book (and my notes) are both unclear regarding the effect on an inverse when the function is not bijective.

Thanks.

#34 Re: Help Me ! » Probability of Ruin Matrix » 2008-11-07 14:35:46

trohoang wrote:

Hi there, I came across this Ruin Matrix in my Pschology of Trading. It was given to me as a table; however, I am interested in generating this table from scratch. Can you help me out?


Profit/Loss Ratio - P/R
Winning Percentage - % Win

Please see the table below

             % winner
P/R     30%     40%     50%    60%   
__________________________________
1:1       99       88         50       12
2:1       74       14          2        0
3:1       23       5            1        0
4:1       14       5            1        0

* Ruin is defined as a 50% drawdown from starting equity

To use the above table - say you win $1 for every $1 that you bet, then your P/R is 1:1. If you have 50% winner then you would have 50% chance of losing half of your money. However, if you have 60% winners then you would only have 12% of losing half of your money.

Say if you win $2 for every $1 that you bet, then your P/R is 2:1. If you have 50% winners then you would have only 2% of losing 50% of your money. However, if you have 60% winners then you would only have 0% chance of losing 50% of you money.

dunno

I'm pretty sure the risk of ruin depends on the size of the bettor's bankroll.

You might be interested in reading about the Kelly criterion. I assume you're already familiar with the law of large numbers.

#35 Re: Help Me ! » Permutations and combinations » 2008-11-06 08:49:28

We need to look at 2 different possible scenarios: 2 algebra and 2 probability, or 1 of each algebra and probability. (3 of each would exceed a total of four, and none of each would only leave 3 other questions.)

For 2 of each: nCr(3,2)*nCr(4,2)

For 1 each of algebra and probability, plus 2 from the others: nCr(3,1)*nCr(4,1)*nCr(3,2)

Add the results of the two scenarios to get your final answer.

#36 Re: Help Me ! » Probability » 2008-11-06 08:34:51

azalealmnt wrote:

I got all of them except c). Thanks for your help!

:3

You're welcome.

What answer did you give for C?

#38 Re: Help Me ! » Memorising » 2008-11-05 21:25:52

Pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. It would take ~3.14 times the length of the diameter to go around the circumference of a circle.

WWII started September 1, 1939 and ended six years and one day later, on September 2, 1945. 1939 can be used to remember the starting date: 1-9-39. Of course, you'll have to remember the year. It's easy enough to remember the century part: 19. But that's only ½ of it. You need to know the other half of the starting date for WW2. 19½ * 2 = 39. There's 1939.

You're not deriving stuff mathematically; you're just trying to give yourself ways to remember stuff. Some stuff you might be able to write in 733T (or however text-speak is written dizzy) to give yourself clues (i.e. it might provide relevant numbers if spelled that way).

If you're a decent storyteller, you might be able to make up little stories that contain information to remind yourself of some things. Mnemonics works well for some people.

There lots of ways to help yourself remember stuff. Not many will work every time, but if you have a few different methods, most of the time one of them will work.

#39 Coder's Corner » Has anyone ever played around with … » 2008-11-05 21:15:09

All_Is_Number
Replies: 2

… brainf***? It is an unfortunately (albeit accurately) named Turing complete language with only eight single character commands:

.  ,  <  >  [  ]  +  -

The language assumes (at least) a 30,000 element array, initialized to zero, and a moveable pointer, which is always pointing at a single element of the array.

>  moves pointer forward one position, relative to current position

< moves pointer back one position, relative to current position

+  increments value of array element in pointer's current position one unit

-  decrements value of array element in pointer's current position one unit

[  begins a "while value of element at current pointer position ≠ 0" loop

]  represents the end of the loop structure

. outputs ascii character associated with the value of element in current pointer position

, accepts ascii value of a single character as input and assigns that value to element at current position


Any character other than these eight, including spaces and new lines, is a comment.

brainf*** (<- not capitalized) is a Turing complete programming language. If a problem has a solution that can be calculated, given sufficient memory and time (and/or processing power), any Turing complete language , including brainf***, can be used to do the calculations. Compilers smaller than 200 bytes have been written for the language.

Here is an uncommented version of Hello World! in brainf***, ending in a new line (from Wikipedia):

++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.

A couple years ago, I wrote a brainf*** program that printed out the first 43 (I think) numbers of the Fibonacci sequence, without reusing anyone else's code. Due to hardware or compiler limitations (can't recall which) anything beyond that would have been inaccurately calculated. I'll see if I can't dig up the code.

Is anyone up to the challenge of writing a program in brainf***? Post them here. smile

#40 Re: Help Me ! » Memorising » 2008-11-05 20:18:22

I use things like model years of favorite cars, friends'/family's birthdays, phone numbers, the pattern my hand makes when I dial a number (can be used for non-telephone numbers, also). Usually one method or another will render an easy to remember association.

How many decimal places of pi do you need to remember? I have 3.141592 memorized (no association tricks), which is far more accurate than I've ever needed for any calculation for which I needed to approximate pi without a calculator. 3.14 is usually sufficient. Some people prefer 22/7, which is also a reasonable approximation for hand calculations.

#41 Re: Help Me ! » Probability » 2008-11-05 20:09:41

For a, I would use the binomial distribution on all of them.

a) Let "drawing a blue marble" be a success, and drawing a marble that's not blue be a failure.

b) Let success be not yellow, and then take the compliment of five successes.

c. Success: white marble. Take sum of probability of zero and one successes.

d) Success is a red marble. Find the mean. (The binomial distribution has a very neat and easy formula for obtaining the mean. It's in your textbook, or a search will reveal it on this site.)

#42 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Debate #001: Is math a science? » 2008-11-05 12:52:08

Ricky wrote:

Fine, then I take it you are acknowledging your previous statement … To be incorrect.  I would like you hear you qualify it however, because you appear as if you are still under the opinion that a derivative of it is true.

Like I said, go up-thread and you'll see where I specifically excepted Biology. If you have a relevant point to make, I'll be happy to address it. Your red-herrings, however, are getting old.

This is a straw man.  I have never stated that mathematics used in other science disciplines are not applied.

You've been throwing out red-herrings in attempt to counter my claims that they are precisely that. If you don't think they're not, why are you disputing the assertion?

I argued that just because a mathematical theory is used to do something useful does not make it applied.

That's like saying something isn't blue, it just reflects electromagnetic waves of the same wavelength as those reflected by blue items. roll

You should study the history of a term before you try to decide the reasons it came about.

LOL. Please, share with us the history of the term applied.

This statement, in general, is correct.  However, in the case of group theory, group theory is very strictly a pure mathematics.

If it is used outside of mathematics, then it is, quite literally, a part of applied mathematics. It doesn't matter if it's only taught to pure track maths majors, or even what the most eminent mathematicians claim. The definition of applied is clear.

You are using a literal interpretation of a phrase, and I am giving you other examples where you would be making the same error.  Where is the herring, exactly?

They are in your posts.

You are trying to argue the point that because a word has a literal meaning, then any compound word containing that word must have a definition that is an exact combination of the literal definitions of the component words. That is not necessarily the case. For example, a bookend is not the end of a book. However, it is quite easy to understand the reasoning behind combining the words book and end to describe that object.

Applied mathematics, however, is not a compound word. It is a plural noun modified by an adjective. Are you suggesting that those who decided to use applied to describe the mathematics to which they wanted to refer were unaware of the meaning of the adjective applied? Did they just open a dictionary up to a random page and pick the first adjective they saw? Is it only by dumb luck that we don't call applied mathematics insane mathematics? Why do you suppose they would use the word applied if that wasn't what they meant? Is it just an obscure exception to mathematicians' obsession with precise definitions?

Can we refer to any set without many elements as the empty set? If a function is defined at a few places, without too many interruptions on a given interval, can we call it a continuous function on that interval?

#43 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Debate #001: Is math a science? » 2008-11-05 10:58:50

Ricky wrote:

Your methodology is wholly devoid of logic.

Then explain.  You claimed that under my view, falsified scientific theories could be reclassified as pure mathematics.  I named a scientific theory and supposed hypothetically that it was falsified.  If you can't explain how it can be reclassified as pure maths, then your claim is at the very best baseless, if not demonstrated to be false.

You should check up-thread where I said that my comments didn't pertain to biology, since Biology has not yet been formulated mathematically. Thus, your example is a red herring, irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

You make the same mistake that Creationists do …

Hardly. I readily admitted that I was not familiar with the theory, and offered up the source of my limited research, pointing out that the information could, in fact, be incorrect. But again, biological theories are irrelevant to our discussion.

Certainly there is an overlap between pure and applied mathematics, I don't believe anyone questions that.

Well, there you go. If (pure mathematics) ∩ (applied mathematics) ≠ ∅, then you should have no problem acknowledging that mathematics used in other science disciplines are applied mathematics.

But group theory is almost universally regarded as a very pure math.  If you are going to say that group theory is in the overlap, then virtually every pure math has to be in the overlap.

That would be far more logical than trying to redefine applied so that a subset of mathematicians can feel exclusive.

And as for your suggestion that (for example) group theory may not be a pure math

I must admit that it's surprising that someone as good at maths as you can be so poor at logic. We just established that applied maths and pure maths have overlap. Therefore, saying something is a part of applied maths does not imply it is not a part of pure maths.

You're still having trouble understanding the implications of the descriptor applied, I see.

You still don't recognize the fact that just cause something has a name does not mean it is represented by the literal interpretation of that name.  I suppose you think "death traps" are set by someone and "piggy-back rides" can only take place on a farm.

Death-trap is an appropriate term for things deemed to be dangerous or deadly due to poor design, poor maintenance, etc. Piggy-back is a word that has gradually evolved from the word pickpack (or pickback, according to some). But go ahead and keep the red-herrings coming. They seem to be the mainstay of your argument lately. roll

#45 Re: Help Me ! » Integrate: » 2008-11-05 10:15:49

Ricky wrote:

If you use the suggestion I made, you should get a result by using a mix of u-sub, trigonometric identities, and integration by parts.  The answer is:

http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp?expr=(Sin[x]^3+-+1)%2F(Sin[x]+%2B+1)&random=false

Your observation that (1+sin(x)³)/(1+sin(x))=sin(x)²+sin(x)+1 does simplify the integration. My comment was only regarding the difference in the form of the answers given by my Ti-89 and Mathematica.

#47 Re: Help Me ! » Inequality » 2008-11-05 07:52:46

JaneFairfax wrote:

Look. If the problem were so easy as to be solvable by mechanically pushing keys on a gadget, there would have no need for great_math to post it at all. If you had taken a look at the problems that great_math usually posts here, you should have realized that great_math’s problems are usually more sophisticated than that. mad

If your mathematical ability is limited to pushing keys on your calculator, I suggest you take a good look around at what constitutes a good mathematical proof. You might learn something. neutral

Perhaps you should re-read the first sentence of my reply to you.

Be careful not to confuse recognition of the usefulness of a calculator with reliance on a calculator.

#48 Re: Help Me ! » Inequality » 2008-11-05 07:22:47

JaneFairfax wrote:

You are NOT supposed to use a calculator in this problem!!

Have you ever given any consideration to leaving your arrogance and anger at the login screen? The OP did not list any such restrictions on the problem. My method is perfectly legitimate. If you have a different way, fine. I have no doubt I could also find other ways to do it. However, I posted what, thus far, appears to be the easiest way to go about it.

#49 Re: Help Me ! » Integrate: » 2008-11-05 06:49:32

Ricky wrote:

All_Is_Number, you probably mixed up the variable you're integrating with.

No, I integrated with respect to x. There was no i in the result, which is how I should have phrased my initial reply.

#50 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Debate #001: Is math a science? » 2008-11-05 06:38:16

Ricky wrote:

Please explain how asking how a scientific theory could hypothetically be reclassified as pure mathematics is a red herring.

Do you really need someone to explain how a non-mathematical theory is completely irrelevant to a discussion about mathematics?

The evidence is amazingly strong in favor of it.  I don't know of any controversy over it in the scientific community.

It has its problems, at least according to Wikipedia. Having said that, if the problems are of the same kind that evolution supposedly has (i.e. are fabricated by those who lack understanding of the theory), then that would be yet another reason why it is a topic wholly irrelevant to this discussion.

But as you think that scientific theories can be reclassified as pure mathematics, all I asked was a specific example.  And indeed, I think it shows that this specific example shows what you suggested to be a bit absurd.

Your methodology is wholly devoid of logic.

I have given three examples of pure mathematics that have been applied, and yet they remain pure.  How do you account for this?

Two possibilities: 1) There is overlap between pure mathematics and applied mathematics; or 2) those three examples are no longer in the realm of pure mathematics, despite your claim.

I do not deny that they are applied to something, I deny that they would be categorized as "applied mathematics".

You're still having trouble understanding the implications of the descriptor applied, I see. roll

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