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#1 2013-01-06 09:45:52

anonimnystefy
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A weird limit!

Hi

Can anyone help me with the following limit:

I know that it should be equal to 1/2 and the the Stolz theorem is supposed to be used, but I cannot get the final result...


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#2 2013-01-06 10:12:31

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Re: A weird limit!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#3 2013-01-06 10:25:07

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Re: A weird limit!

No. I already looked at that page. It just gets the limit to the indeterminate from 0*infinity...


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#4 2013-01-06 10:51:59

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Re: A weird limit!

We need to use the binomial theorem here now.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#5 2013-01-06 10:54:32

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Re: A weird limit!

Do you see the n/(p+1) part? It makes it not possible to use Stolz like that.


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#6 2013-01-06 10:57:02

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Re: A weird limit!

We are not allowed to split that limit?

Probably not, the two pieces are both equal to infinity.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#7 2013-01-06 11:07:31

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Re: A weird limit!

That is right.


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#8 2013-01-06 11:14:58

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Re: A weird limit!

I am trying to put it into the required form but the algebra is hideous.

The above limit equals 1 / 2 . But the limit is very difficult to handle.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#9 2013-01-06 11:58:08

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Re: A weird limit!

I already got that much. That limit there is the problem...


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#10 2013-01-06 12:04:05

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Re: A weird limit!

You got that far! How the heck did you get there?


Maybe we can use Stolz again?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#11 2013-01-06 12:12:44

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Re: A weird limit!

It wasn't hard.

I don't think ot would get much prettier...

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2013-01-06 12:13:11)


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#12 2013-01-06 12:42:20

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Re: A weird limit!

Why do you think this is a job for Stoltz then?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#13 2013-01-06 12:51:08

scientia
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Re: A weird limit!

bobbym wrote:

The above limit equals 1 / 2 . But the limit is very difficult to handle.


Consider the numerator (ignoring the minus sign outside the fraction). Notice that the terms in
and
vanish so the highest power of
is
. Its coefficient is
. Now look at the denominator. The highest power of
is also
and its coefficient is
. Hence the limit as
is

using the following rule:

If

and

and
then

Last edited by scientia (2013-01-06 21:52:47)

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#14 2013-01-06 13:17:22

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Re: A weird limit!

Wow! That is amazing! Thank you! smile

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2013-01-06 13:17:45)


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#15 2013-01-06 21:48:04

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Re: A weird limit!

You're welcome. cool

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