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#26 2013-04-04 00:31:00

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Re: CAS suggestions

You will have to get a faster machine.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#27 2013-04-04 00:32:17

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Re: CAS suggestions

The same thing happened to me -_-


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#28 2013-04-04 00:33:47

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Re: CAS suggestions

bobbym wrote:

You will have to get a faster machine.

It has got nothing to do with a faster machine, he means something else tongue


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#29 2013-04-04 00:34:20

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Re: CAS suggestions

I know I was pulling his leg!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#30 2013-04-04 00:35:07

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Re: CAS suggestions

smile But it should not take more than a few months to get used to it. I downloaded Sagemath as well.

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#31 2013-04-04 00:36:43

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Re: CAS suggestions

It will take years.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#32 2013-04-04 00:37:17

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Re: CAS suggestions

Is any CAS really SIMPLE? I don't think so


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#33 2013-04-04 00:37:21

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Re: CAS suggestions

I meant for all my practical purposes.

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#34 2013-04-04 00:38:12

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Re: CAS suggestions

If they were simple how could they do mathematics which is not simple?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#35 2013-04-04 00:39:30

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Re: CAS suggestions

Mathematics is not too complicated if you have the intuition and good work ethics.

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#36 2013-04-04 00:41:52

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Re: CAS suggestions

What if you do not? Computational mathematics is very difficult.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#37 2013-04-04 00:51:11

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Re: CAS suggestions

That is the thing. 95% or probably more do not have the intuition.

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#38 2013-04-04 00:53:59

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Re: CAS suggestions

I have been looking at mine since 1998. I still only have scratched the surface. But even so a package can give useful results with only 10 minutes of training.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#39 2013-04-04 00:55:12

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Re: CAS suggestions

Agreed. However, what about the developers? Have they not mastered computational maths?

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#40 2013-04-04 00:57:45

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Re: CAS suggestions

They are superhuman. Jerry Kiepfer largely wrote mathematica and William Schelter, maxima. Sage is the same. These guys are very, very good.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#41 2013-04-04 01:41:30

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Re: CAS suggestions

I have heard of William. There is no mention of Jerry though... Funny thing is, Maxima and similar CAS' are so unpopular.

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#42 2013-04-04 01:46:10

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Re: CAS suggestions

The mathematics community and academia do not wish to change the same old courses they have taught since Legendre introduced them.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#43 2013-04-04 01:49:46

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Re: CAS suggestions

Essentially, everyday I see children from school running with no bright future available.

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#44 2013-04-04 01:53:48

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Re: CAS suggestions

They have no future. They are not being educated to have one.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#45 2013-04-04 01:54:57

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Re: CAS suggestions

I am going the same way essentially. Focusing too much on maths and leaving the sciences behind.

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#46 2013-04-04 01:56:01

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Re: CAS suggestions

I would say that is the right mix. 99% math and 1% science.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#47 2013-04-04 01:56:59

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Re: CAS suggestions

Really, science is more important to me then maths. I want to keep as much of a balance as I can.

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#48 2013-04-04 02:03:51

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Re: CAS suggestions

That is a good balance. Science changes by the day, math does not. To be good at science requires lots and lots of math as you know.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#49 2013-04-04 03:16:39

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Re: CAS suggestions

True, but science is thebasis of life. I agree that both are equally important and without one of them we can not do. As least some of us.

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#50 2013-04-04 03:21:26

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Re: CAS suggestions

It is hard to find a good balance but you should try.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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