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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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You will have to get a faster machine.

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The same thing happened to me -_-

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

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bobbym wrote:

You will have to get a faster machine.

It has got nothing to do with a faster machine, he means something else

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I know I was pulling his leg!

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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But it should not take more than a few months to get used to it. I downloaded Sagemath as well.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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It will take years.

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Is any CAS really SIMPLE? I don't think so

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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I meant for all my practical purposes.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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If they were simple how could they do mathematics which is not simple?

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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Mathematics is not too complicated if you have the intuition and good work ethics.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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What if you do not? Computational mathematics is very difficult.

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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That is the thing. 95% or probably more do not have the intuition.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I have been looking at mine since 1998. I still only have scratched the surface. But even so a package can give useful results with only 10 minutes of training.

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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Agreed. However, what about the developers? Have they not mastered computational maths?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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They are superhuman. Jerry Kiepfer largely wrote mathematica and William Schelter, maxima. Sage is the same. These guys are very, very good.

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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I have heard of William. There is no mention of Jerry though... Funny thing is, Maxima and similar CAS' are so unpopular.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The mathematics community and academia do not wish to change the same old courses they have taught since Legendre introduced them.

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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Essentially, everyday I see children from school running with no bright future available.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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They have no future. They are not being educated to have one.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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I am going the same way essentially. Focusing too much on maths and leaving the sciences behind.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I would say that is the right mix. 99% math and 1% science.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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Really, science is more important to me then maths. I want to keep as much of a balance as I can.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is a good balance. Science changes by the day, math does not. To be good at science requires lots and lots of math as you know.

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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True, but science is thebasis of life. I agree that both are equally important and without one of them we can not do. As least some of us.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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It is hard to find a good balance but you should try.

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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