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#1 2013-09-18 11:33:27

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Prisms and Pyramids

I need help with a lot of these math problems. Not sure exactly how to get them. Just want help understanding how to get the answer:


For 1 through 10, what is the area and volume of the given shape, if the length of one side of the base is 6, the height is 8, and the slant height is 10? (Not all shapes will require all three numbers.)

The shape is a right prism with:

1. an equilateral triangle as the base
A Lateral area: 90; Volume: 288
BLateral area: 192; Volume: 64
CLateral area: 120; Volume: 240
DLateral area: 144; Volume: 72 sqrt(3)
E Lateral area: 176; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
F Lateral area: 100; Volume: 288


2. a rectangular base with a width of 3
A Lateral area: 192; Volume: 144 sqrt(3)
BLateral area: 144; Volume: 144
CLateral area: 90; Volume: 240
DLateral area: 120; Volume: 288
E Lateral area: 192; Volume: 64
F Lateral area: 144; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)


3. a square base
A Lateral area: 176; Volume: 240   
BLateral area: 90; Volume: 64
CLateral area: 120; Volume: 144
DLateral area: 288; Volume: 144 sqrt(3)
E Lateral area: 144; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
F Lateral area: 192; Volume: 288


4. a rectangular base with a width of 5
A Lateral area: 288; Volume: 96
BLateral area: 120; Volume: 248
CLateral area: 240; Volume: 144
D Lateral area: 192; Volume: 48
E Lateral area: 176; Volume: 240
F Lateral area: 100; Volume: 64


5. the base is an isosceles triangle with a height of  8 and a base of 3 (sides of 6)
A Lateral area: 120; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
BLateral area: 100; Volume: 96
CLateral area: 192; Volume: 144
DLateral area: 176; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
E Lateral area: 288; Volume: 288
F Lateral area: 240; Volume: 64


The shape is a pyramid with:

6. a rectangular base with a width of 4
A Lateral area: 120; Volume: 98
B Lateral area: 192; Volume: 76
C Lateral area: 240; Volume: 51
DLateral area: 176; Volume: 33
E Lateral area: 288; Volume: 75
F Lateral area: 100; Volume: 64


7. a square base
A Lateral area: 120; Volume: 96
BLateral area: 90; Volume: 64
CLateral area: 176; Volume: 144
DLateral area: 192; Volume: 35
E Lateral area: 288; Volume: 288
F Lateral area: 240; Volume: 75


8. a rectangular base with a width of 3
A Lateral area: 192; Volume: 144 
BLateral area: 90; Volume: 48
CLateral area: 276; Volume: 64
DLateral area: 176; Volume: 144
E Lateral area: 92; Volume: 96
F Lateral area: 62; Volume: 24


9. a rectangular base with a width of 5

A Lateral area: 100; Volume: 48
BLateral area: 240; Volume: 112
CLateral area: 176; Volume: 96
DLateral area: 110; Volume: 80
E Lateral area: 288; Volume: 144 
F Lateral area: 90; Volume: 64


10. a rectangular base with a width of 7
A Lateral area: 240; Volume: 64
BLateral area: 188; Volume: 96
CLateral area: 176; Volume: 144
DLateral area: 130; Volume: 112
E Lateral area: 144; Volume: 215
F Lateral area: 100; Volume: 128

I want to try and do the first 10 and once done, there is a second 10.


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#2 2013-09-18 14:06:54

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

It seems you get two equations with two variables.
One equation for the lateral area has two variables, say x and y.
One equation for the volume is another equation with x and y.

5. the base is an isosceles triangle with a height of  8 and a base of 3 (sides of 6)
I'm a little unclear with this.


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#3 2013-09-18 19:09:03

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

hi demha

This page shows many prisms with the cross section:

http://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/prisms.html

I would make a sketch of each one; writing on the lengths given.

The formula for the volume of a prism is

The lateral area will require two calculations:

and

I don't know what is meant by the slant height for a prism.

Let's sort the prisms out before going on to the pyramids.

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#4 2013-09-18 21:04:39

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Ok, from the link I understood how to get the area. So the base they give me is 6 as the base and the height is 8. So i have done:
A = .50 x 6 x 8 = 24

So now I have the area, I times it with height to get: V = 24 x 8 = 192
Now I'm not sure if I'm doing it EXACTLY right. I'm trying to figure out the answer for #1. To me it seems as if I got the lateral area which I feel is wrong:
The shape is a right prism with:

1. an equilateral triangle as the base
A Lateral area: 90; Volume: 288
B Lateral area: 192; Volume: 64
C Lateral area: 120; Volume: 240
D Lateral area: 144; Volume: 72 sqrt(3)
E Lateral area: 176; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
F Lateral area: 100; Volume: 288

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#5 2013-09-18 21:39:36

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

hi demha,

The height = 8 measurement cannot be for the triangle because it is equilateral with side = 6.  There isn't enough space inside it for a height of 8.  You can get it's height by using your earlier work on trig etc.

The 8 must refer to the height of the prism.  Stand it on its triangular base and it is 8 high.

In my diagram I cannot make the triangle look equilateral that way round so I've shown it with the triangle as the front and then the 8 becomes its length.

So work out the height of the triangle, then its area, then the volume.

The rectangular sides are easy as they are all the same length and width.

Looking at those answers, I think the 'lateral' area may mean just the rectangles, not the triangular ends.

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#6 2013-09-18 23:40:37

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

What equation exactly would I be using exactly? would it be the
a^2 x b^2 = c^2

or would it be
A = (1/2)bh


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#7 2013-09-18 23:59:37

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Use both.  Pythag to get the height of the triangle and then the area of triangle formula.

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#8 2013-09-19 00:53:56

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

a^2 + b^2 = c^2
6^2 + 8^2 = c^2
36 + 64 = c^2
100 = c^2
c = 10

A = (1/2)bh
A = (1/2)(6)(8)
A = (1/2)48
A = 24

10 x 24 = 240. Is that the volume? \(^o^)/


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#9 2013-09-19 03:07:38

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No!  See new version of diagram.

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#10 2013-09-19 05:51:13

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

I'm really confused now. I'm not sure which numbers to use in which equations to get the height & area.

I would really appreciate you explaining it briefly and if you could, you can do like the previous lesson, create a similar problem and solve it while explaining.

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#11 2013-09-19 10:34:31

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

I've done some further researching and I think I am understanding it more now. First I need to get the area of the triangle shape. I believe that would be:
6 x 3 = 18.
Now:
V = A x H
V = 18 x 8 | v = 288
Is that correct?


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#12 2013-09-19 10:40:17

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OK.  Let's say we have a prism which has an equilateral triangle for its base, side 4 cm, and it is 9 cm high.

What is its volume?

And the lateral area?

and if the ends should be included (I'm not sure; you'll have to look at the possible answers)

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#13 2013-09-19 10:57:26

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

Just a quick questions, how does the first part (answer for the height) work out? I mean how did you get
2\sqrt{3}
in the end?

Also, isn't this another way to get the volume?
area of the front triangle x the height?

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#14 2013-09-19 18:27:56

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I have split the equilateral triangle in half so that there is a right angled triangle.  The hypotenuse is 4 and one side is half that, ie 2

I want the height of the triangle so I used Pythagoras' theorem.

Now I can work out the area of the triangle.

Also, isn't this another way to get the volume?
area of the front triangle x the height?

??? That is exactly the method I am using.  :)

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#15 2013-09-19 21:08:32

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

Ok let me try it.
Volume:
h = sqrt{6^2 - 3^2}
h = sqrt{27}
h = sqrt{9 x 3}
h = 3 {sqrt 3}

area = 1/2 x (6) x 3 {sqrt 3} = 9 {sqrt 3}

volume = 9 {sqrt 3} x 8 = 72 {sqrt 3}

I think I got it this time smile

Lateral Area:
6 x 8 = 48
3 x 48 = 144


Now for #1, I am looking at D as my answer.


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#16 2013-09-20 00:23:12

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I agree with those two answers.  Hurrah!  smile

The next one should be easier as it's a rectangular base.

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#17 2013-09-20 02:35:38

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

2. a rectangular base with a width of 3
A Lateral area: 192; Volume: 144 sqrt(3)
B Lateral area: 144; Volume: 144
C Lateral area: 90; Volume: 240
D Lateral area: 120; Volume: 288
E Lateral area: 192; Volume: 64
F Lateral area: 144; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)

So the base of the rectangle has sides of 3 and 6. So:

Volume:
H = 3 x 6
H = 18
H = sqrt {6 x 3}
H = 6 {sqrt 3}

A = 1/2 x 6 x 6 {sqrt 3}
A = 18 {sqrt 3}

V = 18 {sqrt 3} x 8= 144 {sqrt 3}

Lateral Area:
6 x 8 = 48
3 x 48 = 144



3. a square base
A Lateral area: 176; Volume: 240   
BLateral area: 90; Volume: 64
CLateral area: 120; Volume: 144
DLateral area: 288; Volume: 144 sqrt(3)
E Lateral area: 144; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
F Lateral area: 192; Volume: 288

Since it's a square base, all sides are equal, which means all sides measure 6. So:
Volume:
A = 6 x 6 = 36
V = 36 x 8 = 288

Lateral Area:
6 x 8 = 48
3 x 48 = 144.

Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

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#18 2013-09-20 03:46:06

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

hi demha

2. a rectangular base with a width of 3
A Lateral area: 192; Volume: 144 sqrt(3)
B Lateral area: 144; Volume: 144
C Lateral area: 90; Volume: 240
D Lateral area: 120; Volume: 288
E Lateral area: 192; Volume: 64
F Lateral area: 144; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)

So the base of the rectangle has sides of 3 and 6. So:

Volume:
H = 3 x 6 This is the area of the end rectangle  (18).  Pythagoras and square roots are unnecessary as you have the area at this point.
H = 18
H = sqrt {6 x 3}
H = 6 {sqrt 3}

A = 1/2 x 6 x 6 {sqrt 3}
A = 18 {sqrt 3}

V = 18 {sqrt 3} x 8= 144 {sqrt 3}

Lateral Area:

The sides of the prism are (i) a rectangle 6 by 8 (ii) a rectangle 3 by 8 (iii) another rectangle 6 by 8 and finally (iv) another rectangle 3 by 8.  What you have worked out here is not correctly the way to get the lateral area.

6 x 8 = 48
3 x 48 = 144



3. a square base
A Lateral area: 176; Volume: 240   
BLateral area: 90; Volume: 64
CLateral area: 120; Volume: 144
DLateral area: 288; Volume: 144 sqrt(3)
E Lateral area: 144; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
F Lateral area: 192; Volume: 288

Since it's a square base, all sides are equal, which means all sides measure 6. So:
Volume:
A = 6 x 6 = 36
V = 36 x 8 = 288 Correct! smile

Lateral Area:
6 x 8 = 48   So far so good......
3 x 48 = 144.How many lateral faces are there?

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#19 2013-09-20 04:29:49

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

2. a rectangular base with a width of 3
A Lateral area: 192; Volume: 144 sqrt(3)
B Lateral area: 144; Volume: 144
C Lateral area: 90; Volume: 240
D Lateral area: 120; Volume: 288
E Lateral area: 192; Volume: 64
F Lateral area: 144; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)

So the base of the rectangle has sides of 3 and 6. So:

Volume:
A = 3 x 6 This is the area of the end rectangle  (18).  Pythagoras and square roots are unnecessary as you have the area at this point.
A = 18

V = 18 x 8= 144

Lateral Area:
So would it be:

2 x 6 x 8 = 96
2 x 3 x 8= 48
96 + 48 = 144 again... which means answer should be B?

3. a square base
A Lateral area: 176; Volume: 240   
BLateral area: 90; Volume: 64
CLateral area: 120; Volume: 144
DLateral area: 288; Volume: 144 sqrt(3)
E Lateral area: 144; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
F Lateral area: 192; Volume: 288

Since it's a square base, all sides are equal, which means all sides measure 6. So:
Volume:
A = 6 x 6 = 36
V = 36 x 8 = 288

Lateral Area: (there are FOUR lateral faces for a square big_smile)
6 x 8 = 48
4 x 48 = 192.

Answer is F.


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#20 2013-09-20 04:33:49

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

(literally same as #2)
4. a rectangular base with a width of 5
A Lateral area: 288; Volume: 96
BLateral area: 120; Volume: 248
CLateral area: 240; Volume: 144
D Lateral area: 192; Volume: 48
E Lateral area: 176; Volume: 240
F Lateral area: 100; Volume: 64

Volume:
A = 5 x 6
A = 30

V = 30 x 8
V = 240

Lateral Area:
2 x 6 x 8 = 96
2 x 5 x 8 = 80

96 + 80 = 176

Answer: E

5. the base is an isosceles triangle with a height of  8 and a base of 3 (sides of 6)
A Lateral area: 120; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
B Lateral area: 100; Volume: 96
C Lateral area: 192; Volume: 144
D Lateral area: 176; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
E Lateral area: 288; Volume: 288
F Lateral area: 240; Volume: 64

Would I be using the same method as #1 to get the volume & lateral area for this?

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#21 2013-09-20 11:17:05

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This is what I created for #5. Am I correct with this image?

souf.png

Sorry if it's so huge I'm trying to figure out how to work this image upload thing roflol

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#22 2013-09-20 19:38:01

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Re: Prisms and Pyramids

hi demha

2. a rectangular base with a width of 3
A Lateral area: 192; Volume: 144 sqrt(3)
B Lateral area: 144; Volume: 144
C Lateral area: 90; Volume: 240
D Lateral area: 120; Volume: 288
E Lateral area: 192; Volume: 64
F Lateral area: 144; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)

So the base of the rectangle has sides of 3 and 6. So:

Volume:
A = 3 x 6 This is the area of the end rectangle  (18).  Pythagoras and square roots are unnecessary as you have the area at this point.
A = 18

V = 18 x 8= 144



Lateral Area:
So would it be:

2 x 6 x 8 = 96
2 x 3 x 8= 48
96 + 48 = 144 again... which means answer should be B?

Correct.  Yes, you had the right answer before but not for the right reason.  I thought it important that you understand the method; not just get the answer by luck.  smile 

3. a square base
A Lateral area: 176; Volume: 240   
BLateral area: 90; Volume: 64
CLateral area: 120; Volume: 144
DLateral area: 288; Volume: 144 sqrt(3)
E Lateral area: 144; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
F Lateral area: 192; Volume: 288

Since it's a square base, all sides are equal, which means all sides measure 6. So:
Volume:
A = 6 x 6 = 36
V = 36 x 8 = 288

Lateral Area: (there are FOUR lateral faces for a square big_smile)
6 x 8 = 48
4 x 48 = 192.

Answer is F.

Correct! 


4. a rectangular base with a width of 5
A Lateral area: 288; Volume: 96
BLateral area: 120; Volume: 248
CLateral area: 240; Volume: 144
D Lateral area: 192; Volume: 48
E Lateral area: 176; Volume: 240
F Lateral area: 100; Volume: 64

Volume:
A = 5 x 6
A = 30

V = 30 x 8
V = 240

Lateral Area:
2 x 6 x 8 = 96
2 x 5 x 8 = 80

96 + 80 = 176

Answer: E

Correct!


5. the base is an isosceles triangle with a height of  8 and a base of 3 (sides of 6)
A Lateral area: 120; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
B Lateral area: 100; Volume: 96
C Lateral area: 192; Volume: 144
D Lateral area: 176; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
E Lateral area: 288; Volume: 288
F Lateral area: 240; Volume: 64

Would I be using the same method as #1 to get the volume & lateral area for this?

Yes, that's right.  And you diagram looks good to me too.  smile 

Sorry if it's so huge I'm trying to figure out how to work this image upload thing

Well the image upload worked so that's ok.  You could have cropped some white space to save on the image size.  If you're using Paint you can move the right and bottom borders in, then rotate the image 180 and shrink the other two borders.

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#23 2013-09-20 21:14:30

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5. the base is an isosceles triangle with a height of  8 and a base of 3 (sides of 6)
A Lateral area: 120; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
B Lateral area: 100; Volume: 96
C Lateral area: 192; Volume: 144
D Lateral area: 176; Volume: 18*sqrt(15)
E Lateral area: 288; Volume: 288
F Lateral area: 240; Volume: 64

Now for #1 I was using the base and half the base (which was 6 & 3) so I am assuming I do the same here. So it would be:

h = sqrt{3^2 - 1.5^2}
h = sqrt{9 - 2.25}
h = sqrt{6.75}
h = .45 {sqrt 15}

a = 1/2 x 3 x .45 {sqrt 15}
a = 0.675

v = 0.675 x 8 = 5.4 {sqrt 15}
And that looks terribly wrong...

Lateral Area:
3 x 8 = 24
3 x 24 = 72


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#24 2013-09-20 22:45:57

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Look back to your diagram.  The triangle has sides 6,6 and 3.  Make a right angle by finding the midpoint of the base.  The right angled triangle has sides of 6, 1.5 and h, where h is the height of the triangle.

Then half base x h and finally x by 8.

The lateral area isn't correct either because only one of the lateral rectangles is 3 by 8.

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#25 2013-09-21 00:42:55

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Ok I will use Pythagorean theorem to find the height.

h^2 + 1.5^2 = 6^2
h^2 + 2.25 = 36
h^2 = 33.75
h = 5.80

v = 1.5 x 5.80 x 8
v = 69.6

I still don't know what's going wrong. Could you give me an example of how to find the area of this triangle?

Also, I had an idea for getting the lateral area:

2 x 6 x 8 = 96
1 x 3 x 8 = 24

96 + 24 = 120
L = 120

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