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Big scientists know no math?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … s_comments
Kaboobly doo! All this from a guy who scored a C at calculus. Successful scientists? What the heck does that mean? I am sorry to use the word "mean" but E.O. drove me to it.
This really is infuriating. E.O. is really good at making sweeping statements, so let me make one. I will bet most of those models were put together by biologists whose grasp of math was poor.
Darwin is a particularly bad example because Galton ( mathematician ) was his half cousin and assisted Darwin. Darwin often said that he wished he were better at math. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #3 20131012 01:07:10
Re: Big scientists know no math?I did not think anyone remembered that. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #4 20131012 03:15:19
Re: Big scientists know no math?I remember reading somewhere that Michael Faraday was one of these big scientists who are mathematically illiterate – that all of his work on electricity was developed without using a single mathematical equation. 134 books currently added on Goodreads #5 20131012 09:39:11
Re: Big scientists know no math?That is true, Maxwell is the one who put all his findings on a solid mathematical basis. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #6 20131012 09:52:51
Re: Big scientists know no math?Hi bobbym Last edited by anonimnystefy (20131012 09:53:15) The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #7 20131012 10:28:33
Re: Big scientists know no math?Without getting into Gizeh I would think math could be applied to most fields.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #8 20131012 10:48:55
Re: Big scientists know no math?I know it can, but I am particularly interested in hiw it applies in archaeology. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #9 20131012 10:55:57
Re: Big scientists know no math?To use the standard, uncreative answer ( top of the google page ),
They collect data, statistics and probability are required to analyze it. But in this case as mentioned above I think E.O. is right. You probably do not even a require a human brain to do it.
My personal favorite.
I really do think E.O. is making a plea for all the lazy, illogical, monkey  brains to become what he calls a successful scientist. That is better than having them entering politics. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #10 20131012 11:34:45
Re: Big scientists know no math?That is a load if kaboobly doo! The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #11 20131012 11:45:16
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It has been said that 98.4% of my comments about kaboobly doo are kaboobly doo. Personally, I think that is an exaggeration.
Heard of Dr. Robert M. Schoch? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #12 20131012 13:40:37
Re: Big scientists know no math?The first quote in #9 is kaboobly doo. Last edited by anonimnystefy (20131012 13:42:39) The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #13 20131012 15:20:49
Re: Big scientists know no math?One could say he is the beginning of wisdom. More mundanely he is a geologist. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #14 20131012 15:55:31
Re: Big scientists know no math?Mathematicians are some of the biggest scientists, so some of the biggest scientists understand atleast some good math 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #15 20131012 19:55:49
Re: Big scientists know no math?Hi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #16 20131012 20:43:19
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I am talking about the quote about math in archaeology. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #17 20131012 20:54:22
Re: Big scientists know no math?That is what I meant. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #18 20131020 13:23:18
Re: Big scientists know no math?I disagree to some extent. Science has as much relation with applied and somewhat pure maths. As far as I have seen, a scientist without a high degree of math ability is rare. I have discovered a truly marvellous signature, which this margin is too narrow to contain. Fermat Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world. Archimedes Young man, in mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them.  Neumann #20 20131020 21:07:55
Re: Big scientists know no math?Possibly not so rare nowadays. Bumped into a scientist over at UNLV yesterday, after he got up he gave me his card. Yep you guessed it, it said Scientist on the front of it. It was laminated too so this was not a phony. Guy did not look like he could do any math to me. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #21 20131021 02:20:30
Re: Big scientists know no math?Well then some people's interpretation of the term 'scientist' is misleading. I have discovered a truly marvellous signature, which this margin is too narrow to contain. Fermat Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world. Archimedes Young man, in mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them.  Neumann #22 20131021 02:26:30
Re: Big scientists know no math?I am forced to agree. E.O.'s interpretation is not mine. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #23 20131021 02:56:54
Re: Big scientists know no math?Nowadays, a scientist is considered someone who is wellversed in all the sciences and maths, and not merely a specialized field. I have discovered a truly marvellous signature, which this margin is too narrow to contain. Fermat Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world. Archimedes Young man, in mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them.  Neumann #24 20131021 03:01:39
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By that definition there are no scientist. I do not see why it is necessary for them to be good in all sciences and in math as well. Many sciences do not need very much knowledge of math, though most require a certain amount of knowledge of a certain mathematical field (calculus in physics, statistics in psychology,...) . The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #25 20131021 03:04:39
Re: Big scientists know no math?I don't mean it that literally such that a mathematician should have knowledge of physics, biology, chemistry, medicine, psychology etc. I mean a basic amount of math, biology, chemistry and biology. Most institute have the requirement of taking courses from the 4 aforementioned categories for graduation. And certain disciplines require a high degree of knowledge from another subject (i.e. physicists need a strong knowledge of analysis). I have discovered a truly marvellous signature, which this margin is too narrow to contain. Fermat Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world. Archimedes Young man, in mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them.  Neumann 