Discussion about math, puzzles, games and fun. Useful symbols: ÷ × ½ √ ∞ ≠ ≤ ≥ ≈ ⇒ ± ∈ Δ θ ∴ ∑ ∫ π -¹ ² ³ °

You are not logged in.

- Topics: Active | Unanswered

how ordinary?

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

Offline

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
- Posts: 92,930

M takes the lead again. At the wolfram demonstration page there are thousands of apps. From games to astronomy.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

Offline

Hi;

Do you have an idea of how I could learn Maxima?

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

Offline

**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
- Registered: 2011-05-23
- Posts: 15,891

You should take some math problems and do them in Maxima.

Learning Maxima's functions isn't the hard part, there are always the man pages. The hard part is using them correctly, which is true for any CAS.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

Offline

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
- Posts: 92,930

I agree, start learning now how to use your computer to help with your math.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

Offline

You should take some math problems and do them in Maxima.

Maybe you have some?

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

Offline

**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
- Registered: 2011-05-23
- Posts: 15,891

I recommend Bafflers, Series, What do you think and Is this cool with you threads to begin with. That should keep your hands full for a while.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

Offline

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
- Posts: 92,930

I heartily recommend the problems in computer math especially the ones solved by geogebra!

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

Offline

But I am a complete Novice in this field, even if I pick a problem I won't understand how to do it with Maxima

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

Offline

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
- Posts: 92,930

Everybody starts as a complete novice, most stay there. Some do graduate to the position of student.

You do not have to force it. Start slowly and on problems you have done already. First you must convince yourself that it really works.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

Offline

Learning Maxima's functions isn't the hard part, there are always the man pages. The hard part is using them correctly, which is true for any CAS.

That is true but in order to start learning it correctly, I need to have a tutorial on how to make the language work(in some way, not necessarily the optimal).

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

Offline

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
- Posts: 92,930

Maxima has limited documentation and no forums that I know of. You will have to experiment.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

Offline

He could teach me what he knows.

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

Offline

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
- Posts: 92,930

I do not have any how to maxima book. I do not know of one.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

Offline

Stefy already knows the amount of Maxima I need to know to start working. He could shed light

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

Offline

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
- Posts: 92,930

Yes he could but a CAS is not a spectator sport. It is not a bunch of lectures given by a professor. It is a hands on thing. You have to get your hands dirty then we can help.

I am now going to cook some chicken cacciatore, Angela style. see you afterwards. Have a good day at school, study hard.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

Offline

I know but not unless I understand its syntax and how it is programmed, I will need some lectures. For example, I do not understand the loops, string processing, type conversation, etc in Maxima

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

Offline

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
- Posts: 92,930

I will go over them with you but remember you will be using it as a CAS and will have little need for those procedural goodies.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

Offline

**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
- Registered: 2011-05-23
- Posts: 15,891

The thing I hate about Maxima, now that I've used M for a while, is that it doesn't have a few functions ehich are a must, such as Select, Total, etc.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

Offline

You can program them and include them in the maxima initialisation file.

I will go over them with you but remember you will be using it as a CAS and will have little need for those procedural goodies.

Suppose I am asked **Find the number of 4 digit palindromes that are divisible by 7**, then I'll need string processing

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

Offline

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
- Posts: 92,930

Hi;

Yes, that will call for using your CAS as a language.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

Offline

and those problems appear in Brilliant

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

Offline

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
- Posts: 92,930

Your problem #22, has or will eventually.

I am writing up the solution.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

Offline

Agnishom wrote:

Hmm, you are correct. Python 2.7.3 gave a MemoryError

This is what is at #22

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

Offline

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
- Posts: 92,930

Problem #22 if I remember correctly.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

Offline