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#1 2018-03-11 17:30:20

Monox D. I-Fly
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[ASK] About Vector and Angle

Given w = |v|∙ u + |u| ∙ v. If θ = ∠(u ∙ w) dan φ = ∠(v ∙ w) then ….
a.    Φ – θ = 90°
b.    θ + φ= 90°
c.    θ = φ
d.    θ – φ = 90°
e.    θ – φ = 180°

What have I done:

and

Then I substituted them as |v| and |u| to the given equation and got:

What to do after this? I am stuck.


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#2 2018-03-11 19:17:15

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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

Given w = |v|∙ u + |u| ∙ v. If θ = ∠(u ∙ w) dan φ = ∠(v ∙ w) then ….

What is dan...? Never heard of that function...


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#3 2018-03-11 20:03:06

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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

Ugh, sorry. I meant "and". Forgot to translate that part.


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#4 2018-03-11 21:44:50

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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

hi Monox D. I-Fly

I'm not too sure about this, but here's my attempt.

I'll put vectors in bold and magnitudes not bold.

If w = vu + uv then w is a linear combination of u and v

so you can construct the following diagram:

Mark an origin at O.  Draw representative vectors from O for u and v.  Extend the u line to a point A and the v line to a point B.

Make a parallelogram OACB where OC = w

|OA| = |v|.|u| and |OB| = |u|.|v| so OA = OB.

So OACB is a rhombus.

The diagonals of a rhombus bisect the angles at the vertices so  θ = φ

Is this correct??  Not sure.

Bob


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#5 2018-03-12 07:23:29

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#6 2018-03-12 13:43:22

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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

Alg Num Theory wrote:

How did you get u ∙ w = |u| (u ∙ v) and v ∙ w = |v| (v ∙ u) from w = |v|∙ u + |u| ∙ v?


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#7 2018-03-12 22:49:34

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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

Sorry, I made a mistake. See my revised post below.

Last edited by Alg Num Theory (2018-03-13 11:32:50)

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#8 2018-03-13 00:19:06

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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

We know w = |v|u + |u|v

So u.w = u.(|v|u + |u|v) =  |v||u|^2 + |u|u.v

If this is |v| + |u|u.v then |u|^2 = 1.  I don't see where it says u is a unit vector.

Am I missing something ?

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#9 2018-03-13 11:32:35

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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

Take two.

Last edited by Alg Num Theory (2018-03-13 11:33:13)

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#10 2018-03-15 23:36:58

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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

Alg Num Theory wrote:

Why \pi and not 2\pi?

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#11 2018-03-15 23:47:10

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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

Why do you want to consider the angle between two vectors to be reflex?

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#12 2018-03-16 02:44:18

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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

Alg Num Theory wrote:

Why do you want to consider the angle between two vectors to be reflex?

How do you distinguish the case

and
are on the same or on the opposite half-planes originated by the line of
?

Last edited by Libera (2018-03-16 02:48:22)

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#13 2018-03-16 02:52:19

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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

Does it matter?

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#14 2018-03-16 03:16:30

Libera
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Alg Num Theory wrote:

Does it matter?

It seems to me they are different cases and I don't understand why I should restrict the range of values the angles can assume. Also algebraically the answer would be the same with the wider range. Perhaps with a future thought I'll understand your point of view.
Thanks anyway.

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#15 2018-03-16 03:25:10

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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

The dot product of two vectors depends (as far as angles are concerned) only on the cosine of the angle in between. Since

it doesn’t matter whether we take the larger or smaller angle between them. Also, as

it doesn’t matter whether we measure the angle clockwise or counterclockwise – only the angular magnitude is important. Hence, whether w lies between u and v (i.e. passes through the smaller angle between them) or not is not really important: we can always take theta to be the smaller angle between u and w, and phi the smaller angle between v and w.

Last edited by Alg Num Theory (2018-03-16 03:26:24)

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#16 2018-03-16 04:29:25

Libera
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Re: [ASK] About Vector and Angle

Alg Num Theory wrote:

The dot product of two vectors depends (as far as angles are concerned) only on the cosine of the angle in between. Since
it doesn’t matter whether we measure the angle clockwise or counterclockwise – only the angular magnitude is important.

Thank you for your attempt to be convincing, but it's not matter of calculation.
Let's time make thoughts clear.

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