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#1 2006-10-13 03:12:35

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QUESTION to think about

how many different ways can the numbers 1,2,3,4 be arranged if you use each number only once?

i got
1,2,3,4
4,1,2,3
3,4,1,2
2,3,4,1
2,1,4,3
1,4,2,3
3,1,4,2
4,3,2,1

any other ways?
and how many can there be....if we just guessed?


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#2 2006-10-13 03:25:04

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Re: QUESTION to think about

We can use a factorial to find out the different combinations we can use for a sequence like this.

By using 4!, we see that:

4x3x2x1 = 24.

Therefore there are 24 combinations. smile

I think that is correct...

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#3 2006-10-13 03:26:55

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Re: QUESTION to think about

thanks smile i guess i was using the very very long way

Last edited by unique (2006-10-13 03:27:06)


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#4 2006-10-13 03:27:34

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Re: QUESTION to think about

The answer is 4! (pronounced 4 factorial) which is 4 * 3 * 2 * 1.   So the answer is 24.   

To help you understand, think about this.  How many ways can you arrange 2 numbers?   Two, right?   12 and 21.   

Now add in a 3rd number.   One way of doing this is to take the 2 ways to arrange 2 numbers and add in the 3rd:

12 - Add a 3 in to get 123, 132, and 312
21 - Add a 3 in to get 213, 231, and 321.   

So for every solution for 2 numbers, there's 3 ways to add in a 3rd number.   So that's 2 * 3 solution. 

To add in a 4th number, take each of the 3 digit numbers and work from there:
123 - Add the 4 in to get the following four possibilities:  1234, 1243, 1423, 4123.   

So for each of the ways you could make a 3 digit number, there are 4 possibilities when you add in a 4th digit.  There are 6 (3*2*1) ways to make a 3 digit number, multiply that by 4 when you add in a fourth digit and you get 24 (4*3*2*1)

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#5 2006-10-13 03:32:05

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Re: QUESTION to think about

thanks
now i completly understand smile


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#6 2006-10-13 03:38:28

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Re: QUESTION to think about

Also, if you're going to write out all the possibilities, it's very useful to use some kind of method to make sure that you've got all of them. It looks like in your list you were just writing them down as you thought of them, which means that you've missed quite a few. A good way is to write them in ascending order as if they were 4-digit numbers.

1234  2134  3124  4123
1243  2143  3142  4132
1324  2314  3214  4213
1342  2341  3241  4231
1423  2413  3412  4312
1432  2431  3421  4321


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#7 2006-10-13 03:39:47

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Re: QUESTION to think about

yeah your way is much easier...
i was just putting them down as they came in my head. i didnt have an order


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