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#1 2010-02-25 13:56:24

taylor_2009
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When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

Let f(t) be the amount of oxygen (in suitable units) in a lake t days after sewage is dumped into the lake, and suppose that f(t) is given approximately by the following. At what time is the oxygen content increasing the fastest?

f(t) = 1 - [(15)/(t+15)] + [(225)/(t+15)²]

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#2 2010-02-25 17:58:40

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

How much have you figured out so far?  Conceptually, the first derivative of f(t) gives you the rate at which the oxygen level is increasing at time t, and the second derivative gives you the rate of the rate of increase.  So you're looking for the maximum of f'(t), which can be determined by finding a critical point in f''(t).

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#3 2010-02-26 11:50:43

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

I got that f'(t)= -(15)/(t+15)² - (510)/(t+15)³

I got f"t = (30)/(t+15)³ + (1530)/(t+15)^4

I don't know if those are right and I don't know how to solve them for 0.

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#4 2010-02-26 15:37:20

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

Hi;

I got that f'(t)= -(15)/(t+15)² - (510)/(t+15)³

That is incorrect for f'(t).


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#5 2010-02-27 10:22:46

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

Is f'(t) 15/(t+15)² - (510)/(t+15)³?

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#6 2010-02-27 11:42:37

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

Hi taylor_2009;

No that is not correct. Do you need help on it? Or can you see where you went wrong?


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#7 2010-02-27 11:58:19

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

Yeah I need help. I've done the problem like 5 times and I keep getting that as an answer.

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#8 2010-02-27 12:26:06

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

Hi taylor_2009;

Let's do it piece by piece using the chain rule:

If we say

Then the chain rule is:

Now for the next term:

Chain rule again:

Now combine both pieces.

You use the same method to get f''(t), so please give it a try.


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#9 2010-02-27 15:58:02

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

Would f"(t) be (-30)/(t+15)³ + 1350/(t+15)^4?

You would set f'(t) equal to 0 and determine whats a maximum to get the answer right? I'm not sure how to solve f'(t).

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#10 2010-02-27 16:21:30

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

Hi taylor_2009;

That is correct for f''(t).

If you are trying to find the max or min of f(t) you set f'(t) = 0, now if you are trying to get the max-min of f'(t) you should set what to 0?


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#11 2010-02-28 11:33:06

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

The get the max min of f'(t) you would set f"(t) equal to 0.

I got f'(t)=15 and f"t=-60.

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#12 2010-02-28 11:59:38

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

Hi taylor_2009;

What did you get for the solution to this?


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#13 2010-02-28 13:38:42

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

-60

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#14 2010-02-28 14:15:33

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Re: When is the oxygen content of the lake increasing the fastest?

Hi;

But when you plug -60 back in to the equation you don't get 0. You get 4 / 6075. So that is not correct.

Times both sides by  ( t + 15 )^4

t = 30


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