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#51 2011-05-29 01:26:13

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

Subtracting 20 from both sides does not cancel the -20.

-20 - 20 = - 40. Not 0


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#52 2011-05-29 01:27:46

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

am spouse to cancel the 20 next to the y right ? so its not a negative 20


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#53 2011-05-29 01:30:56

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

You have to add 20 to do that.

y-k=m(x-h)
      y-20=-31\14X- -62031\14
       -20                 -20
   Y=-31/14x- -62311/14 This is incorrect

Correct is y - 40 = ( - 31 / 14 ) x + (62031 / 14) - 20

You have not accomplished anything. Adding 20 to both sides cancels the 20.


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#54 2011-05-29 01:41:40

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

hi zee-f and bobbym

Before you jump ahead, don't you think you want to check this answer.

zee-f wrote:
y-20=-31/14x-62031\14

Have you tried plugging x = 2001 into that?

Yes, this is wrong but the line above was ok, which was the answer to the question.  Just a minus minus error here zee-f.
Take care with that sort of thing.

In post #40

y= -31/14x+62311/14

is a correct equation although I would prefer it like this

y = -31x/14 + 62311/14

Now in post #44 you have put x = 10.  But it should be y = 10

So maybe you should start again from here with

and try to get x from that.

And think about the answer you get.  y = 10 is between 20 and 4.5, so you should expect a year between 2001 and 2008.

Hope that helps,

Bob

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#55 2011-05-29 01:51:42

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

Hi Bob;

zee is making that sort of error in every problem. Sometimes there are 1 of them per line. He/she is having algebraic difficulties with linear equations.

For instance post #44 is also incorrect. There the 10 is on the wrong side. There are numerous typos of the type of \ for / and B for b. Not only can teachers deduct points for this but when he tries to enter answers like that in online homework, they will not match.

I have been unable to stress that he/she is taking too many liberties with notation.


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#56 2011-05-29 02:02:33

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

thank alot am ganna be doing more exercise on this lesson then ill come back to it  i thought am spouse to get rid of the 20 i mean thats what i learned and yup am having alot of problems with this lesson


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#57 2011-05-29 02:05:24

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

There is nothing wrong with having trouble. To remove a -20 you have to add a 20. That will get rid of it on that side.


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#58 2011-05-29 02:33:42

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

thanx am working on the problem smile


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#59 2011-05-29 04:13:46

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

17. Find the point-slope form of the equation that goes through these two points.
17- y-k=m(x-h)
      y-20=-31\14X- -62031\14
       y - 40 =    ( - 31 / 14 ) x + (62031 / 14) – 20
        y=-31\14-62311\14


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#60 2011-05-29 04:22:57

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

Hi zee-f;

y-20=-31\14X- -62031\14

First thing is, this \ is not division. This / is division.

Add 20 to both sides.

And that is the answer.


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#61 2011-05-29 04:25:50

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

18. During which year was there 10 computers per student?
18- 10 =-31x\14- 62311\14
Ill get x=-62451\31


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#62 2011-05-29 04:27:44

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

wow that was simple i was doing something way more complicating


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#63 2011-05-29 04:30:15

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

That can not be right. Can you a negative year? Of course not.

That is the forumula you must use.

If the coordinate is ( 2001 , 20 ) that means x = 2001 and y = 20. So x is the year and y is the number of computers. So using this formula how do you substitute for x and y?


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#64 2011-05-29 04:36:19

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

y is ganna equal 10


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#65 2011-05-29 04:38:21

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

so i need to find x


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#66 2011-05-29 04:41:51

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

Yes, you will now solve.

Go slowly, 1 step per line.


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#67 2011-05-29 04:47:19

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

first i need to get the x by its self so ill subtract -31/14 from both sides isn't that correct


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#68 2011-05-29 04:52:28

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

Hi;

That is not legal and here is why. The -31 / 14 is connected to the x by multiplication not addition. To move values and variables from one side to another you use the inverse operation. This is simpler than that sounds.

First what I would do is clear the denominators by multiplying both sides by 14. Can you do that?


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#69 2011-05-29 05:13:59

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

yup


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#70 2011-05-29 05:15:51

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

140=-31x+ 62311/14


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#71 2011-05-29 05:17:16

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

now divide by -31


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#72 2011-05-29 05:23:39

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

Hold on!

140=-31x+ 62311/14

That is not correct. What about the 62311 / 14 ?


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#73 2011-05-29 05:36:55

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

so is it spouse to be 10=-31X-872354
or  140/31=31x-872354


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#74 2011-05-29 05:38:56

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

Not quite:

When you multiplied both sides by14 that means everything on both sides!


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#75 2011-05-29 05:41:58

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Re: Point Slope Form of an Equation

10=-31x+62311


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