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#101 2012-01-23 07:51:40

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Re: prime number power residues and/or indices

I can walk sideways across a lawn with two hands and two feet, and I usually go to the left, facing toward the ground.


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#102 2012-01-23 07:52:35

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Did you say you are 235 now? You are very agile for that weight.


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#103 2012-01-23 07:57:01

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Yeah, I haven't had the submersion test in water to determine how much is fat or muscle though, but I defin(a/i)tely have a ton of muscle and some fat too though.  I lifted my 145 pound brother yesterday, and he was as light as a feather.  I could easily lift a 200lb person by putting my arms around them if they let me.  But the lift by the elbows worked on my brother.  Couldn't do it with just biceps, so I bent down and used my legs.


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#104 2012-01-23 07:59:27

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Ever lift weights? Do any bodybuilding?


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#105 2012-01-23 08:03:21

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Yup.  Everyday just a little for about 6 years now.  Every little bit helps, even if it is only five minutes or two minutes, but then repeat it a couple hours later.  Gotta go hold my arms out, my favorite exercise, sometimes for eight minutes, yesterday morning eight minutes.


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#106 2012-01-23 08:06:30

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That is a good idea. Good for the whole system.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#107 2012-01-23 08:17:02

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How many minutes do you think I just held my hands out for when I was gone?


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#108 2012-01-23 08:20:08

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I estimate 8 minutes.


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#109 2012-01-23 08:22:10

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Yup, exactly 8 minutes and maybe one extra second to make sure on the clock.
After the first 4 minutes when I started with palms facing downward, then I allow a little cheating by turning my palms up, which gives me 3 more minutes, and then for the last minute I switch palms up and down until I can't take the pain anymore which is at 8 minutes and one second today.


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#110 2012-01-23 08:23:44

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Usually when doing something like that the arms might begin to tremble.


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#111 2012-01-23 08:24:32

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Yeah mine did for about 4 seconds around the 7th minute but then it stopped.


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#112 2012-01-23 08:25:13

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That is a long time to be able to do that.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#113 2012-01-23 08:28:40

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Thanks.  I've been at it for a number of years though.  And it helps my handstands I think.


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#114 2012-01-23 08:35:35

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That will help to increase stamina and resistance to pain.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#115 2012-01-23 08:43:24

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I believe whatever you do you get good at, but somethings will overlap to other things and have benefits in other areas.  Such as when I went out on the deck and took two split logs (for fireplace)
and moved them in jumping jack style, standing still, flapping arms with logs.  Then after coming
back in the house, I feel refreshed and healthier.  I just did 44 push-ups from the knees though on the
deck too.


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#116 2012-01-23 08:48:14

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Whoa! You are becoming a workout nut. Good luck with it, it does make you feel better.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#117 2012-01-23 08:51:28

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This is a lazy day compared to most days though really, but thanks for reminding me to exercise with something you said 30 minutes ago.


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#118 2012-01-23 08:54:15

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What was it?


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#119 2012-01-23 09:08:03

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Post # 104 got me thinking I hadn't done enough today yet.


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#120 2012-01-23 09:23:36

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Okay, that is the first time I ever had that effect on anyone. Do not overdo it or you will suffer tomorrow and the day after.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#121 2012-01-23 09:40:11

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Believe me when I say this is still lazier than most of my days.
I am a weight and arm-straining addict, remember that arm against arm
hand pushing against hand exercise I mentioned last week, well I usually
do that every day for some time.  But if you do it for like an hour with little
breaks, sometimes your heart will tell you stop, that happened once to me.
It was very minor feeling inside I got so I stopped.  But I'm not that
hyper lately, that was a couple years ago.


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#122 2012-01-23 09:44:10

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I know what you mean. You have to know when you have had enough. But usually your body tells you when it is enough.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#123 2012-01-23 09:59:41

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Re: prime number power residues and/or indices

Back to power residues though.
Basically for all primes except for the #2, you can
do this stuff in this book.  What you do is start with the number one.
Then write the one down.  Then double the one and get 2.
Write that down since it is below any odd prime number.  Now decide
we are going to do prime #3, the first one in the book.  Now
multiply the 2 by 2 and get 4, but modulate (mod) the number 4 down
to 1 with the mod(3) function.  4 = 1 mod(3).
Now you will note you came back to one.  So the loop is just 1 and 2, and then 1 and 2.
The ring is of size two, which is one less than the prime number 3.

Now for prime #5, the multiplier of 2 works well too.
Start with 1, though it doesn't matter what number from 1 to 4 you start with because it is
a loop if it works with a multiplier of 2.  Just try it to find out if 2 is your multiplier.
1 times 2 is 2.  2 times 2 is 4.  The list is 1,2,4 so far.  4 times 2 is 8. 8 mod 5 is 3.
Your list is 1,2,4,3 now.  Now 3 times 2 is 6 and 6 mod 5 is 1, you are back to one, the
start of the loop.  So the loop size is the prime #5 minus 1 or 4 in length and is 1,2,4,3.

Now the next prime # is 7.  For seven, the multiplier of 2 does not work out with a loop of size 6
as desired.  Let's see why and then we will try the successful 3 afterwards.  Start with 1, double it, 2, double it 4, double it 8. 8 mod 7 is 1, so you have 1,2,4,1,2,4, this is length 3, not 6 as desired.
Now we do it again with the number 3 as the multiplier.  Start with 1 triple it 3 triple it 9 mod 7 is 2,
We now have 1,3,2 so far. 2 tripled is 6, 6 tripled is 18, 18 mod 7 is 4, Now we have 1,3,2,6,4.
4 tripled is 12. 12 mod 7 is 5. Now we have 1,3,2,6,4,5.  5 tripled is 15. 15 mod 7 is 1.  We are back to the starting value of 1 again and so it would repeat around, so the ring is 1,3,2,6,4,5 for prime # 7.  Length is 7-1 or 6.

This is basically how the whole book goes.  Also there are indices listed which I can explain later.
The above were the power residues.
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