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bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Hmmm

Always another way.

So I will present it:

Marty: I am having trouble with the whole time time travel thing.

Doc Brown: That is because you are still not thinking 4th dimensionally.

Marty: Right! Right! I keep forgeting that.

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anonimnystefy

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From: Harlan's World

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

So?

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bobbym

bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Is it getting clearer?

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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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anonimnystefy

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From: Harlan's World

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Nope.

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

bobbym

bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

I was not hatched from an egg. There was an m before me.

TheReal m: You are a surface thinker.

bobbym: Why?

TheReal m: Because you do not listen when someone is talking to you.

bobbym: Of course I do!

TheReal m: No, while someone is speaking to you, you are thinking about what to say in reply instead of listening carefully to what it is being said.

bobbym: You are right.

I call this Teeing.

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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From: Harlan's World

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Xaxaxa...But that doesn't help me with the integral.

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

bobbym

bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

Registered: 2009-04-12

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Please reread the post. It is directly applicable to that integral.

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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From: Harlan's World

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Which post?

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bobbym

bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

All the ones leading up to #530

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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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From: Harlan's World

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

I am puzzled enough with the integral itself!!!

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
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bobbym

bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Hmmm. The posts leading up to #530 inclusive explain your puzzlement. Please read them one more time or until you have a comment about them that relates to this integral

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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From: Harlan's World

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

If I understood correctly I am not thinking of the integral as an indefinite one?

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

bobbym

bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Nothing.I tried and tried,but I couldn't come up with anything.I tried IBP,Regular sub,change of argument from x to a+b-x,...Nothing seems to give results.

10 posts leading up to this. Remember Doc Brown?You are not thinking experimentally. I do not see Wolfram on that list up there. I try Wolfram first before ever doing any integral. Try it now and you will see  a Sisyphean task.

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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From: Harlan's World

Registered: 2011-05-23

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Wolfram is what I tried first,and it does give the correct answer on the indefinite integral and something with polylogarithmic function for the indefinite integral,but it still doesn't help me solve the integral by hand.

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“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

bobbym

bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

Registered: 2009-04-12

Posts: 109,606

Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Hmmm. Do the indefinite integral there.

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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From: Harlan's World

Registered: 2011-05-23

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

I did. It doesn't look pretty!

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“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

bobbym

bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

Registered: 2009-04-12

Posts: 109,606

Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Pretty, it should have non - elementary functions in it! Before you do a definite integral by hand you have to do an indefinite one first. Now, how on earth are you going to get that answer with any of the ideas you were taught?

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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From: Harlan's World

Registered: 2011-05-23

Posts: 16,049

Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

I think I am not gonna.I was thinking later of DUIS or Contour integration,but I know neither of this very well.

And I wasn't taught any of the methods! I learned all of them myself.

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-04-09 10:25:34)

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“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

bobbym

bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

Registered: 2009-04-12

Posts: 109,606

Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Does not matter, mathematically you are working like you are 55 years old.

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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From: Harlan's World

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

How come?

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

bobbym

bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

Registered: 2009-04-12

Posts: 109,606

Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Because you are caught up in old fashioned mathematics. Remember Feynman?

Let me ask you a question, where does that integral come from?

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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From: Harlan's World

Registered: 2011-05-23

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

What do you mean,where does it come from?It is from the 'Series' thread.

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“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

bobbym

bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

Registered: 2009-04-12

Posts: 109,606

Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

gAr posed it? Yes?

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

anonimnystefy

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From: Harlan's World

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Yes,he did.It is a sum evaluation.Look at my last post there.

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“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

bobbym

bumpkin

From: Bumpkinland

Registered: 2009-04-12

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Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!

Do not need to. You are missing my point. gAr does not work in conventional ways. If you attempt to solve mine or his problems using book methods you will fail. Book methods only work on book problems.

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.