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a, b, c, d, e are five natural numbers in arithmetic progression.

a + b + c + d + e is the cube of some natural number.

b + c + d is the square of some natural number.

What is the least possible value of c?

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Agnishom,

This may help:

Say b = a + k c = a + 2k etc

Show that c = ½(N^3 - M^2) where N and M are the cube and square.

Bob

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I'll see.

What do you do after that?

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**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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That is the answer but how did you do it?

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Whether you do this by hand or by computer you have to form the relationships. Then we can discuss how to solve them.

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Sorry, my computer has an OS problem.

I've done what bob asked but how does it help?

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This is what I had to start.

a > 0, b > 0, c > 0, d > 0, e > 0,

b = a + h

c = a + 2 h

d = a + 3 h

e = a + 4 h

a + b + c + d + e = m^3

b + c + d = n^2

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I have got two results so far:

25 divides c

3 divides c

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That means

and

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Its c, not x

Which means

75 divides c

But I do not know what to do next

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Based on what you have you will now have to try 75, 150, 225, 300, 375, 450...

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But my OS is broken, I can't run mathematica

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Then you will need to get a few more relationships if you can.

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Nope, I have a better idea of doing that without a computer.

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You could just plug them in with a calculator.

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Sorry, this sum came up in a test where no electronic gadgets were allowed

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Let me see if I can get one more equation.

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Try bob's

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There are too many variables and equations.

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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I too had the equations of post 8

=> 2c = n^3 - m^2

and 8c = n^3 + m^2

=> n^3 = 5c and m^2 = 3c => c is a multiple of 25 and 3 => c is a multiple of 75

By hand c = 75 n^3 = 375 which is not a cube

c = 150 n^3 = 750 ditto

c = 225 n^3 = 1125 ditto

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c = 675 n^3 = 3375 => n = 15 and m^2 = 2025 => m = 45

better edit:

Let c = 75p

n = cube root (5 x 75p) = 5 x cube root (3p)

m = square root (3 x 75p) = 15 root p

So p must be a square and 3p a cube.

p = 9 is obvious.

Bob

*Last edited by bob bundy (2014-04-28 00:09:23)*

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hi bob;

Thank You

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That gives the least value for c as required. But there are more:

p = 9, 6561, 4782969, 3486784401, etc

Bob

*Last edited by bob bundy (2014-04-28 22:53:58)*

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How can I get them? Brute force?

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hi Agnishom,

I did use 'educated' brute force, but, following your question, I have just developed a 'proof'.

As p is a perfect square and 3p a perfect cube, we can conclude that p has to be a power of 3. So I used Excel to make the table of values shown below.

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So I could see that every 6th line was a solution. Can I prove this will happen?

All letters are positive integers:

let

r must have two more factors of 3, in order to be a cube so

So q squared must have a factor of 9 so write

This will happen every 6th power.

Bob

*Last edited by bob bundy (2014-04-29 20:05:02)*

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