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#201 2016-06-25 17:57:32

bobbym
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Re: Polynomial Root Finding

Someone recently numerically evaluated this integral:

and got .7285058960783131.

What do you think of their answer?


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#202 2016-06-27 00:30:18

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Re: Polynomial Root Finding

wolfram alpha as well as my hand calculation are yielding same result.


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#203 2016-06-27 04:02:10

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Re: Polynomial Root Finding

Hi;

Computers do not always tell us the truth. We have already seen that  problems can arise when we multiply by a large number, divide by a small number, subtract 2 nearly equal numbers and more.

When we say n = .08 we are implying that we know the number with a certain accuracy. We are claiming

which means  .075 < n < .085

When we say n = .576128 we are implying that we know the number with a certain accuracy. We are claiming

which means  .5761275 < n < .5761285

Putting down the answer .7285058960783131 implies that we know this:

which means .72850589607831305 < .7285058960783131 < .72850589607831315

Are we justified in saying that?


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#204 2016-06-27 04:28:51

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Re: Polynomial Root Finding

I understand your point. I got the value of 0.728505896 after substituting upper and lower limits. There is no estimate of accuracy. I only meant that the results agree up to the digits I got as my answer.As engineers we are even satisfied with 0.7285.


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#205 2016-06-27 08:00:21

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Re: Polynomial Root Finding

Someone else whom was wise gave .728506 as the answer because he was sure of those digits.

A number by itself is useful, but it is far more useful to know how accurate or certain that number is.

It is true in engineering it would be rare to need more than 6 digits but CAS are capable of spitting out millions or even billions of digits. Numerical analysis is one way to determine how reliable those digits that are given are.

The fellow who published .7285058960783131 is making a statement about the accuracy of his answer. We would like to be able to verify it or prove his answer is overoptimistic.


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#206 2016-06-27 08:27:02

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Re: Polynomial Root Finding

Hello;

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#207 2016-06-27 11:09:46

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Re: Polynomial Root Finding

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#208 2016-06-28 06:41:31

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Re: Polynomial Root Finding

How do I start working on that integration?


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#209 2016-06-28 09:23:48

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Re: Polynomial Root Finding

What do you want to do with it?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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