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**Mario23****Member**- Registered: 2017-01-03
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Hey! I've come across an exercise I can 't seem to solve.

Find all the n integers that satisfy :

is a rational number.

I can't see how to find them because 4n-2 can't be a perfect square and that's why I need some help on it.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

n = 13 can be found quickly.

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**Mario23****Member**- Registered: 2017-01-03
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Yes,I managed to guess it too but I don't know how to find all of them.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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What makes you think there are more?

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**Mario23****Member**- Registered: 2017-01-03
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Well I don't know.There are usually more .And I don't know how to prove there aren't.

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**Mathegocart****Member**- Registered: 2012-04-29
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Here's a crucial hint to prove there is only one solution: note the essential fact that if

*Last edited by Mathegocart (2017-01-11 22:45:11)*

The integral of hope is reality.

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**Mario23****Member**- Registered: 2017-01-03
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My best try at proving that using that relation was that

where m is a rational number.I used then that the other frac is mq and I tried to square them,divide the ecuations etc but it is definitely not working.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Some ideas that I am working on seem to validate my view in post #4. 13 seems to be the only solution.

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**Mario23****Member**- Registered: 2017-01-03
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Okay,I am looking forward to seeing your ideas

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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We can say that

Solving simultaneously:

{{x = -5, y = -3}, {x = -5, y = 3}, {x = 5, y = -3}, {x = 5, y = 3}}

Are the only 4 solutions and they all give n = 13.

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**Mario23****Member**- Registered: 2017-01-03
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Thank you for your help !

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Those were just thoughts, that might have a big hole in it.

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**Mario23****Member**- Registered: 2017-01-03
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They are right,I checked them

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

The solutions found in post #10 are correct but I am afraid their might be more that ht method I used there is missing. I hate using reasoning in math, that is why I dislike and mistrust the whole concept of proof. Trouble is, computation although more reliable can leave you hanging.

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