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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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Evaluate

∫ (1÷(1+cos×(x))

Why we cannot rationalise it with 1-cosx

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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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I perform rationalization and ans is wrong

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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What did you get?

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Zeeshan 01

What do you mean by rationalise here?

eg.

This is called rationalisation because the irrational denominator has been made into a rational.

But cosine(x) isn't an irrational. ??

To do the integral you can make use of

This makes a function that is directly integrable.

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You can use the tangent half-angle substitution.

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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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I know half angle but why we not rationaliz

How???

But cosine(x) isn't an irrational. ??

Why we cannot multiply and divide by 1-cos (x)

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Zeeshan 01 wrote:

Why we cannot multiply and divide by 1-cos (x)

No one is saying you can't do that, you can do that if you want. Post your calculation here and tell us what you think about the integral.

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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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Ok

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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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By doing rationalization

1-cosx÷sin (x)^2

Then

1÷sin^2 (x) -cos (x)÷

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You are missing something in the last line.

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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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1÷sin^2 (x) -cos (x)÷sin^2 (x)

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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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I solve ans is cosecx-cot x+c

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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At first I thought this was not correct as my answer was different. But both results have the same graph so then I checked the identity and we have the same.

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I would recommend the **tangent half-angle substitution** for integrals of this type.

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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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I also know half angle but why not this

t both results have the same graph ????? Where you plotted graph

Then I checked the identity and we have the same. smile

Which identity???

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**greg1313****Member**- Registered: 2016-12-19
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Zeeshan 01 wrote:

By doing rationalization

1-cosx÷sin (x)^2 . . . . . .This isn't correct, because you didn't use grouping symbols.

[1 - cos(x)]÷[sin(x)]^2

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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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I know

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Zeeshan 01

I did this integral a different way.

So my first thought when I saw your answer was ???

So I plotted the two functions together on a graph. The second plot fitted exactly over the first. To show this more clearly I have offset my graph by 0.3 along the axis so you can see both graphs.

Then I checked to see if I could prove they are the same by using identity methods:

So we have the same answer.

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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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Ok no one can wrong my method !!!

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Zeeshan 01

Your method and answer are both good. With any integration, if your answer differentiates back to the original question, then it is a good answer.

Bob

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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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I know !!!! But thx

And this question check this

∫ 1÷(x^2+4x+13)dx

How to solve this??

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Try completing the square and then using a trig substitution.

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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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What is trig substitution

When I do 1÷((x+2)^2+3^2)

It's tan formula

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Use the fact that .

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**Zeeshan 01****Member**- Registered: 2016-07-22
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Plese show me

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