Pronunciation Sounds

John E. Franklin · 2007-02-12 08:30:17

I've made some changes to this list since first posting.
I'm playing around with pronunciation sounds.
57 sounds so far.
(Sorry I editted out my original pronunciation guide because
then the Grays Anatomy thing later isn't as readable, oh well.)

VOWEL SOUNDS
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Last edited by John E. Franklin (2008-03-08 15:57:57)

Jai Ganesh · 2007-02-12 16:05:03

Thanks, John E Franklin!

Interesting post on phonetics!

MathsIsFun · 2007-02-12 16:37:39

Sounds like a good start ...

24. o "aw" sound in "lawn", or "o" sound in "dot"

Let's get an opinion from non-US members ...

Which also brings up the Mom/Mum thingy.

mathsyperson · 2007-02-13 01:02:36

As an honorary non-US member, I can state that I think those two sounds are different.
I would say that the "aw" in lawn is more like #34.
Edit: I changed my mind, because lorn is a slightly different sound to lawn. So, the aw in lawn is probably a completely new sound now.

Also, I would disagree with some of those being classed as a fundamental sound used to build words. Most notably "awyer".

John E. Franklin · 2007-02-13 03:21:20

I agree with "awyer" not being fundamental too, but I was confused since the "r" is weird.

Check out this paragraph I wrote:
Typing from Gray's Anatomy using these sound-symbols:

Mecqlz Diivxticyulum.-----OOcaajjunqlee tttx maa bee fwwnd cunectid
wittt tttu loowrr prrrt uv tttu ileeum, on nn avrrij uv ubwwt ttree nnd u haf
feet frum its trrminaassun, u bliind diivxticyulum xx tqqb, vxeeinnn
in lennntt.  It iz utahht tqq nnd cumyqqnicaats wittt tttu lqqmin uv tttu
bwwql bii wun ekshhremitee, nnd bii tttee utttrr iz unutahht xx maa bee
cunectid wittt tttee abdominl wol xx sum utttrr pxxssn uv tttee
intestin bii aa fiibrus bnnd.  TTTis iz Mecqlz diivxticyulum, nnd
repreezens tttee reemaanz uv tttu viituleen xx omfaloo-mesentxic duct,
tttu duct uv cumyqqnicaahhun beetween tttee umbilicql vesicql nnd tttee
alimenturee cnnal in rrlee feetl liif.

...

Wx in tttu midql uv u snoofol.  Soo frrr wee hav siks inhhiz.  II hhriid
tqq goo tqq u doctrrz upyyntment, but deesiidid it wuzint wrrtt tttu
sliprree roodz wen II got tqq rqqt 9, it wuzint plwwd tttat reesentlee, soo
tttu big HHestrrfeeld Hil wqd hav bin daanjrrus, nevrr miind tttu reetrrn trip
nnd it wuz stil snooinnn, soo II went bac hoom, dwwn Edgrr Rood, wihh wuz fun
cuminnn up wwt uv tttu valee, bii runinnn tttu weeuulz muhh fastrr tttnn tttee
rood undrrneett, studid tiirrz, but just frunt weeuul jriiv on mii Hondu
Hathhbac wittt Wintrr plaats.
...
Mureeu diid.  TTTats mii cat.  SSee wuz u wundrrfql cat.  II hav wun cat left, XXeeoo.
Mureeu staad cloos tqq mee.  If II sat on tttu cwwhh, ssee wqd tqq. 
SSee wuz aa ciind cat tttat beecaam frenz wittt ol tttee utttrr cats in tttu hwws.
EEvin tttee reemaaninnn cats rrr mxxninnn.

Last edited by John E. Franklin (2007-02-15 05:30:44)

John E. Franklin · 2007-02-17 09:21:30

These pictograms look better drawn by pencil, but this
gives you an idea as to what I did; all in fun; and to
help me learn to remember words by saying them over
and over, like for example, polyethylene teraphtalate.
But, then, I might mispell them!!!!
I don't expect you to see the difference in some of the
similar pictograms, such as the crad*le/christmAs/childrEn
quick "filler" vowel, and the "V" shown after it, or the "OW"
sound in "ouch". The first of the 3 has two indents, the middle
mentioned has two indents and one external point, and the
latter is all smooth curves and one indent.
Sorry my quick sketch is so bad.
It doesn't matter anyway, because the fun is all for me;
I am just giving you an idea as to what I am up to, in
case you were wondering.
Basically what I think happened to me, is I learned to
read faster and faster through the years to the point
where I don't have to sound things out anymore if
I get into the groove of reading fast. But then I
don't remember as well, because I remember things
best VERBALLY. So I have to slow down on the
new words, and SOUND them out.
So back to studying new subject areas.
See you in the Help Me section a little later...

Last edited by John E. Franklin (2007-02-17 09:23:00)

MathsIsFun · 2007-02-17 09:41:23

Looks fascinating. You seem to have a natural gift for languages and symbology.

John E. Franklin · 2007-02-17 09:55:48

Thanks for looking!! I enjoy sharing ideas here!!
Useless ideas can spawn useful ideas many years down the road...

John E. Franklin · 2007-02-19 05:43:32

Anyone know how to pronounce this or where I could find out??
"Smilacaceae"
It's a family of plant.

MathsIsFun · 2007-02-19 09:29:27

It is a Latin name, right? I think they follow certain rules for pronunciation.

Find something similar from this list: http://www.taunton.com/finegardening/pages/spg017.asp

I would guess smill-ah-kay-see-ay

John E. Franklin · 2007-02-24 02:27:10

That's an awesome list of Botanical Latin.
I found these 3 in a row, the middle having the "-aceae" in it:
Tsuga canadensis (SOO-gah kan-ah-DEN-sis)
Tulbaghia violacea (tul-BAG-ee-ah vy-oh-LAY-see-ah)
Tulipa fosteriana (TEW-lih-pah foss-ter-ee-AY-nah) \
Woops, I was wrong, no "e" after the "acea" to make "aceae".
Your guess of smill-ah-kay-see-ay may be right.
I asked this question on Yahoo Answers, and got 2 different answers from people.
But thanks for the Botanical Latin Guide!! I'll look some more.

MissK · 2007-02-28 16:53:41

John E. Franklin wrote:

Anyone know how to pronounce this or where I could find out??
"Smilacaceae"
It's a family of plant.

smi is an open syllable, thus the i is long

la the a is a schwa, pronounced /u/, so /luh/ is correct

ca is not only an open syllable, but followed by an e giving the long a sound
the c is a hard /k/ sound unless followed by an e or an i (ce, ci)
this one shoudl be pronounced /kay/

ce is an open syllable, so the e is long
the c followed by an e is soft: /see/

ae is the spelling for the long e sound, although it it sometimes s schwa at the and of a long-winded latin word.

I summary, find out the common name -- it's easier!!!

John E. Franklin · 2007-03-01 13:50:50

Thanks Miss K! And nice writing for espeon on bullying in the classroom, thanks.

MissK · 2007-03-01 14:39:20

John E. Franklin wrote:

Thanks Miss K! And nice writing for espeon on bullying in the classroom, thanks.

Just being a busybody!! -- You're welcome

John E. Franklin · 2008-03-08 16:01:12

Since this topic is now a mish-mash,
I'll continue with more silliness on
pronunciation and this time a
geometrical memory device with
the consonant sounds at various
positions in my head, in case I
need to remember some word,
I'll think of this perhaps.

Last edited by John E. Franklin (2008-03-08 16:02:37)

MathsIsFun · 2008-03-09 10:33:12

How does it work? You remember the shape that connects the sounds?

John E. Franklin · 2008-03-09 15:59:03

Yes, I simply remember the order of the
consonants in a word by jumping around
the pattern in my head.

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