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#1 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everything » 2006-08-28 03:54:56

Maybe those time machines are aware of the time travel paradoxes... and on the other hand, maybe our time is not the "nice" time where they would like to be. Remember there still remains a trillion years to find it out.

#2 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » barber paradox » 2006-08-28 02:28:27

One question: what happens when a paradox like that is solved? I mean, that something that seems false, is indeed true and returns an answer?

#3 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everything » 2006-08-28 02:25:57

Ok, that's what I wanted to know.

On the other hand, returning to thermodynamics, it could be possible that in half a trillion of years we realize that it is possible to travel back in time, and go to a "nice" time.

#4 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everything » 2006-08-27 17:52:44

Ricky wrote:

And anyway, the law of thermodinamics doesn't apply to ideal objects... would you apply thermodinamics to numbers, to family relations, to feelings, etc?

Would said objects really "exist" if we didn't?

Maybe yes, maybe not, how could we proof a solution for that?

Ricky wrote:

And I believe you misread my first post.  Thermodynamics is the reason why the energy in any proper subset of the universe would approach 0.

Well, I just wanted to keep my question. You are sending my question a trillion of years in the future, and I can't wait so much to know what would happen if in a near time someone proofs (not only thinks that there could be a solution like thermodynamics) that birth and death of everything is based on logic?

#5 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everything » 2006-08-27 14:07:37

Well, there was a long discussion about that, because it was possible that the universe was expanding or compressing. The reason we know it is permanently expanding is because of the study of the mass of the universe, not because of the law of thermodinamics. And anyway, the law of thermodinamics doesn't apply to ideal objects... would you apply thermodinamics to numbers, to family relations, to feelings, etc?

So what would happen if there be some "law of thermodynamics", but one that applies to both physical and metaphysical?

#6 Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everything » 2006-08-27 13:19:52

cronodragon
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A dark discussions forum, great, I was looking for this.

Ok, my question is what would happen if someone mathematically proofs the birth (or creation, order) and death (or destruction, chaos) of every single thing in the universe, be it real or ideal. What do you thing about it? What would happen to that person, to the people in this world, and the future of humanity?

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