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#151 2013-07-27 20:08:10
- bobbym
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
To answer that we would need to cover the derivation of the error formula. That would require the Euler Mclaurin summation formula which would lead us on another discussion and is difficult.
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#152 2013-07-27 20:27:09
Re: An Integral and the Computer
is difficult
If bobbym can, anyone can.
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#153 2013-07-27 20:30:25
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
Who said that fellow could do it.
The question is, do we spend the next 19 posts going over someone else's proof or do we spend it actually showing it work or in this case not work...
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#154 2013-07-27 20:34:35
Re: An Integral and the Computer
If someone can do it, let him do it.
If no one can do it, how can I do it?
If someone can do it, I can do it too.
If no one can do it, I must do it.
Never mind, I think I will live long enough to get that proof. For now, tell me how to use it.
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#155 2013-07-27 20:40:19
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
I will cover a proof out of the book "Numerical Analysis" as soon as we do 2 examples.
Do you agree from post#147 that where the absolute value is a maximum is at x = 0?
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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#156 2013-07-27 20:41:28
Re: An Integral and the Computer
yes!
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#157 2013-07-27 20:47:26
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
And what is that value? Remember it is an absolute value.
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#158 2013-07-28 02:26:02
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
Hello
What about quadrature formulas that do not include the endpoints? What are the advantages of these and will you show one?
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#159 2013-07-28 02:41:49
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
Hi;
The ones that do not include the endpoints do that because for many integrals encountered in practice the endpoints are singularities. This creates problems for primitive languages.
No, I will not be doing any of them.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#160 2013-07-28 02:45:53
Re: An Integral and the Computer
100
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#161 2013-07-28 02:51:59
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
Very good! Now we will just fill in the formula:
Let's pick n = 15.
The error is expected to be smaller or equal to .0228463.
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#162 2013-07-29 02:49:30
Re: An Integral and the Computer
Ok got it. Thanks
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#163 2013-07-29 04:43:41
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
Hi Agnishom;
Very good. Usually it works a lot better than that.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#164 2013-07-29 13:52:17
Re: An Integral and the Computer
For example?
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#165 2013-07-29 15:32:27
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
Supposing you had this integral instead:
What do you get from a trapezoidal rule with 5 panels?
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#166 2013-07-30 01:42:38
Re: An Integral and the Computer
Is it 0.3214?
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#167 2013-07-30 03:16:22
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
Hi;
You will need a few more digits for thsi one because the error is quite small.
0.3214669303656079
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#168 2013-07-30 03:34:37
Re: An Integral and the Computer
Yes, I figured that those digits are not correct, so I truncated them
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#169 2013-07-30 03:59:45
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
This is the second derivative. We see that the maximum occurs at x = 1 and is about .25. Do you agree?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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#170 2013-07-30 13:58:18
Re: An Integral and the Computer
Hmm... shouldn't that be 0?
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#171 2013-07-30 18:02:43
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
The integral is being evaluated in the interval 1 to 1.3
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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#172 2013-07-31 00:34:38
Re: An Integral and the Computer
0.000375
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#173 2013-07-31 00:58:33
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
I am getting error = 0.00075
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#174 2013-08-03 01:56:06
Re: An Integral and the Computer
Ok
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#175 2013-08-03 02:00:20
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Re: An Integral and the Computer
Did you get all that?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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