What does the future hold in store for mankind and the world?

math9maniac · 2015-05-18 08:15:12

From what I personally know about Jehovah's Witnesses,they are very nice people. They are extremely kind and generous and are always ready to share and help out. They have great love and respect for people. They are entirely neat persons too.
One thing I like about them is that they don't force people to accept their beliefs. None of their publications or literature seeks to do that. They always leave the final decision with the reader.

They are Christians who follow Christ Jesus and base their teachings and beliefs on God's Word the Bible.

David · 2015-05-18 08:54:33

Don't really agree with you. JWs have the highest turn over of any religion, strict shunning when you left the watchtower is not love. The Holy Spirit is not an active force like what the JWs believe, he is a gentleman. Our God never force anyone to love him, but the JWs are criticising all other denomination. The elders are like the Pharisees that labeled the work of the spirit as the work of satan. All things are forgivable, but blaspheming the Holy Spirit is not. I believe Jesus is not Michael. The JWs believe only 144000 have a personal relationship with Jesus, and the rest don't. Why? Why is Jesus the Lord? Why Jesus never say: "The Lord rebuke you" but Michael did? How did Michael an angle, became a man then a angle again? Are we not created in the image of God? Are we not consist of the body, soul and spirit?

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math9maniac · 2015-05-18 11:19:16

David;
you say you've never been to the JWs place of worship (the Kingdom Hall) or met any of them in Malaysia. From where did you hear about the Watch Tower, 144000. Could you indicate your source?
Pls what do you mean by 'strict shunning when you left the watchtower'?

David · 2015-05-18 13:27:29

The fruit of the spirit is my source. This organisation had broken a lot of friendship and families, I do not call that love. I have studied every single religion from paganism, Buddhism, Hinduism, islam, Christianity and Judaism. The only religion that I could sense God's love and presence is Christianity. Christianity is not a religion, it is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Jehovah's Witness is not Christian in anyway, they are like islam. When you left the watchtower, you have to be prepared to be shunned and hated. My source is the bible and the fruit of the spirit.

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bobbym · 2015-05-18 17:27:21

You are correct in noticing that some of those are a way of life and therefore different from Christianity.

math9maniac · 2015-05-18 17:49:08

Hi David;
So the Bible and the fruit of the spirit are your sources. Can you tell me which part of the Bible says this about JWs? So you heard about the Watch Tower too from the Bible? Which quotation please?
Do you personally know anyone who was treated that way by the whole organization of Jehovah's Witnesses (not by an individual JW)?

math9maniac · 2015-05-18 18:02:23

The JWs way of life, as it were, is an imitation of Jesus', while he was on earth, and that of his disciples too.

They preach like Jesus and his disciples did in the first century AD. In fact, every Christian is obliged to do that. Jesus instructed so himself at Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20.
On the night before he died, Jesus instituted the Lord's Evening Meal, and commanded his followers to "keep doing this in remembrance of him" as recorded in Luke 22:19, 20. Jehovah's Witnesses commemorate this each year, inviting millions around the world to join them. This is an important event that no one should ever miss, besides that is the only feast Jesus instructed his followers to have.
Like Jesus, they hold the Bible in high esteem, regarding it as God's Word and in every way true. (John 17:17).
They abstain from politics as did the Lord Jesus (John 6:15).
They have great love among themselves which Jesus said at John 13:34, 35 would characterise his true followers.

All their way of life depicts an imitation of Jesus-the founder of Christianity-in every way, why can't we call them Christians too.

Agnishom · 2015-05-19 00:20:01

What if both of you are wrong?

bobbym · 2015-05-19 02:17:53

Remember the elephant.

David · 2015-05-19 02:20:54

Agnishom wrote:

What if both of you are wrong?

Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

David · 2015-05-19 02:37:42

Math9maniac;

The bible did not foretell of any watchtower organisation that would be Jehovah's people. Nor did it foretell the organisation having the authorities of Jehovah. Jesus came to Earth and after he was resurrected there wasn't a true Church for 1900 years until a 'prophet' named Charles Taze Russel came along, believed that his interpretation of the Bible was right, and that God had liked his interpretation, and made it the true one, therefore establishing Jehovah's Witnesses. Does this make any sense to you?

JWs believe that Jehovah is God's name, but the letter 'j' doesn't exist in Hebrew, Latin and Greek. In fact, the letter J didn't even exist in the English language until the 16th century. So how did Jehovah come from? My God's name is YWHW. So God's name is YWHW(Yahweh), and Jesus, Yeshua means Yahweh saves, why?

David · 2015-05-19 02:39:23

math9maniac wrote:

Hi David;
Do you personally know anyone who was treated that way by the whole organization of Jehovah's Witnesses (not by an individual JW)?

I do not. However, that individual JW who shunned others was the elder.

David · 2015-05-19 03:03:38

Jehovah's Witness (the organisation, watchtower, JWs) believes that Jesus came to the Earth invisibly and walked among the churches in spirit form. After he had conducted a careful study of the churches, he determined that the only people that worship YWHW purely are the JWs. He then proceeded to replace the Jews as his chosen people with the JWs. This is not what the bible teaches.

JW's are not considered Christian by other Christians because they reject the Trinity - the idea that Jesus was both man, and God.

They use their own translation of the Bible, and while is is almost exactly the same, there are 5 or 6 places where the wording is very slightly different. However, they place a great deal of doctrine on these places, which goes in a completely different direction than most Christians accept.

However, in many ways, they are better than most of us, they live their faith daily, not just for an hour on a Sunday They believe they are Christians, and cal themselves that, even if others do not. I do admire their commitment to their faith, but I cannot accept their translation of the Bible, nor where they go with it.

Agnishom · 2015-05-19 03:15:02

David wrote:

Agnishom wrote:
What if both of you are wrong?
Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Meaning???

Agnishom · 2015-05-19 03:18:48

bobbym wrote:

Remember the elephant.

Yep. I am skipping through most of the posts here, though

bobbym · 2015-05-19 03:48:01

Hi math9maniac;

What faith do you belong to, if I may ask?

Agnishom · 2015-05-19 03:52:39

I think I am an weak anti-platonist

David · 2015-05-19 03:54:46

Psalm 51:4
Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

Agnishom · 2015-05-19 03:56:10

Sorry, David. This quotes are flying over my head.

David · 2015-05-19 03:57:08

I want you to ask yourself this question, have you sinned? Are you perfect?

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bobbym · 2015-05-19 03:58:49

According to my earlier religion, we come into the world with a sin.

David · 2015-05-19 04:03:15

A sin that came from the first man, and that goes with the last man.

Agnishom · 2015-05-19 04:05:28

David wrote:

I want you to ask yourself this question, have you sinned? Are you perfect?

I am not perfect.

I have sinned. I stole some voice files from Sw's pen drive.

David · 2015-05-19 04:05:58

According to you, you are in a playground and that God had provided you everything to play in the field. You live in a dream within a dream.

bobbym · 2015-05-19 04:07:57

Earth is not a playground.

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