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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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Hy everyone!

What do you think about operations with infinity?

We know that ∞ : ∞ = indeterminate, but what about ∞ * ∞ ?

The result is ∞ ?

A friend of mine suggest this:

n^3 : n = n^2

so

∞^3 : ∞ = ∞^2

so

∞ : ∞ = ∞^2

which means

∞^2 = indeterminate.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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Hi;

So you suggest that infinity multiplied by infinity equals infinity?

By the way, there are just two hypothesis about this operation.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Yes, I think that ∞ * ∞ = ∞.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Mpmath wrote:

Hi;

So you suggest that infinity multiplied by infinity equals infinity?

By the way, there are just two hypothesis about this operation.

Of course. One is that infinity*infinity=infinity and the second is that multiplication is not an operation that should be applied to infinity.

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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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And way about n : infinity?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

How do you map n to infinity?

Oh wait, I am sorry this : is a division operator. My browser is reading it wrong. Division is not allowed.

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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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Sorry, bobbym, n to infinity or n : infinity?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I did not understand your notation. First let's get that right. What are you saying here:

n^3 : n = n^2

I am not following that.

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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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Hi;

The most Plausible hypothesis is 0, But if n : infinity = 0 means that n : 0 = infinity, which is impossible. I think that 0 is the batter hypothesis, But I would not exclude infinity. Answers are many.

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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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Regarding the second post n^3: n = n^2 is a simple formula, applied to infinity shows that infinity*infinity = indeterminate.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

n^3: n = n^2 is a simple formula

You are saying n^3 to n is n^2? What does "to" mean here? I am not following that.

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Mpmath

Can I suggest you type 'divided by' to remove the confusion?

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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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Sorry, this means n^3 divided n= n^2.

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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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By the way, I Will use dividev by from now, thanks!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, that is what I thought. Okay, you can divide n^3 by n as long as n does not equal 0 or ∞.

is indeterminate.

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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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Yes, that's what I was thinking.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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But

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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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Ok. This is most Plausible hypothesis.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Yes, infinity is not a number. Some programming languages say NAN for it. Therefore, you can not add or subtract or perform any other type of arithmetic on it and expects consistent results with the number system. There is a small movement in mathematics, but growing, to eliminate it entirely.

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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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Hi;

This small movement wants to eliminate infinity or operations with infinity?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Eliminate infinity entirely.

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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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I think that eliminate infinity is absurd. Infinity is a way to define where numbers and universe can arrive.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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They believe like others that the concept of infinity is full of holes. It really does not belong in mathematics and could be replaced. I am not expert on this part of math and therefore do not know enough to decide who is right.

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**Mpmath****Member**- Registered: 2012-10-11
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Well, no one can decide what is better Regarding infinity, we can only have a theory.

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