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**niharika_kumar****Member**- From: Numeraland
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hello friends

well i have started studying carbon and its compounds,but i could not clear my concept on ketone.

pls help me out.

n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketone

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Hi;

We are also reading the same NCERT chapter in school.

Ketone is just a functional group which contains a carbon atom holding an oxygen with 2 hands and two other carbons with two other seperate hands.

E.g,

H H

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H - C - C - C - H

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H O H

That contains three carbons, so it is propanone. Had it been four, we would call it butanone.

The main common feature of all ketones is that they have this functional group inside them.

- C -

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O

***DO NOT CONFUSE KETONES WITH ALDEHIDES***

Now, comes aldehydes, which are similar but in the case of aldehydes, the two hands of the carbon hold one carbon and one hydrogen.

E.g,

H H H

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H - C - C - C = O

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H H

This is propanal.

Note that both of them have the formula C[sub]3[/sub]H[sub]6[/sub]O

But the structure matters too

*Last edited by Agnishom (2013-10-25 19:02:50)*

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**niharika_kumar****Member**- From: Numeraland
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thnk u so much for making it so simple and easy to understand.

i was really confused between aldehyde and ketone that why they have same formula inspite of different functional groups and you cleared it all.

thnx again.

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You're welcome.

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**niharika_kumar****Member**- From: Numeraland
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Now, I would love to have someone explaining me Ester

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Aren't they just a combinations of an alchohol and a carboxilyc acid?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yep, and they smell good too.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Yeah. As far as I remember, they give fruit its smell.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Long time ago they would use Oil of Wintergreen as furniture polish.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Note to Agnishom: To get esters, just take H from the OH group of the carboxilyc acid and the whole OH group from the alchohol and join the remainders together. You will also get water as a product.

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anonimnystefy wrote:

Aren't they just a combinations of an alchohol and a carboxilyc acid?

Yes, can you draw the functional group of the esters?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Here it is:

O

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R1-C-O-R2

R1 and R2 can be different, but it is not necessary.

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Thanks

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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No problem.

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**niharika_kumar****Member**- From: Numeraland
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thanks ,I wanted that too.

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**niharika_kumar****Member**- From: Numeraland
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what's the formula for ether

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Isnt it C[sub]2[/sub]H[sub]2[/sub]?

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Sorry, Are you talking about this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether ?

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**niharika_kumar****Member**- From: Numeraland
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yes i was talking about ether and now i got the answer.

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