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#1 2013-10-25 03:13:03

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ketone

hello friends wave

well i have started studying carbon and its compounds,but i could not clear my concept on ketone.dunno
pls help me out.

      n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketone


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#2 2013-10-25 18:53:51

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Re: ketone

Hi;

We are also reading the same NCERT chapter in school.
Ketone is just a functional group which contains a carbon atom holding an oxygen with 2 hands and two other carbons with two other seperate hands.

E.g,

                             
                                  H           H
                                   |           |
                              H - C - C - C - H
                                    |    ||    |
                                    H   O    H


That contains three carbons, so it is propanone. Had it been four, we would call it butanone.

The main common feature of all ketones is that they have this functional group inside them.

- C -
   ||
   O

***DO NOT CONFUSE KETONES WITH ALDEHIDES***

Now, comes aldehydes, which are similar but in the case of aldehydes, the two hands of the carbon hold one carbon and one hydrogen.

E.g,
    H     H    H
     |     |     |
H - C - C - C = O
      |    |   
      H   H
This is propanal.

Note that both of them have the formula C[sub]3[/sub]H[sub]6[/sub]O
But the structure matters too

Last edited by Agnishom (2013-10-25 19:02:50)


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#3 2013-10-26 16:56:31

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Re: ketone

thnk u so much for making it so simple and easy to understand.
i was really confused between aldehyde and ketone that why they have same formula inspite of different functional groups and you cleared it all.
thnx again. smile


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#4 2013-10-26 17:42:50

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Re: ketone

You're welcome.

I'm proud to be an Indian too.


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#5 2013-10-28 23:52:08

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Re: ketone

smile


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#6 2013-11-18 04:58:31

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Re: ketone

Now, I would love to have someone explaining me Ester


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#7 2013-11-18 07:02:33

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Re: ketone

Aren't they just a combinations of an alchohol and a carboxilyc acid?


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#8 2013-11-18 08:16:12

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Re: ketone

Yep, and they smell good too.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#9 2013-11-18 08:18:26

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Re: ketone

Yeah. As far as I remember, they give fruit its smell.


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#10 2013-11-18 08:22:41

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Re: ketone

Long time ago they would use Oil of Wintergreen as furniture polish.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
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#11 2013-11-18 08:29:14

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Re: ketone

Note to Agnishom: To get esters, just take H from the OH group of the carboxilyc acid and the whole OH group from the alchohol and join the remainders together. You will also get water as a product.


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#12 2013-11-18 15:20:09

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Re: ketone

anonimnystefy wrote:

Aren't they just a combinations of an alchohol and a carboxilyc acid?

Yes, can you draw the functional group of the esters?


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#13 2013-11-18 20:47:24

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Re: ketone

Here it is:
     O
      ||
R1-C-O-R2

R1 and R2 can be different, but it is not necessary.


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#14 2013-11-19 00:43:10

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Re: ketone

Thanks smile


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#15 2013-11-19 10:57:03

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No problem. smile


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#16 2013-11-20 17:17:36

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Re: ketone

thanks ,I wanted that too.


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#17 2014-01-23 17:18:06

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Re: ketone

what's the formula for ether


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#18 2014-01-23 17:42:15

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Re: ketone

Isnt it C[sub]2[/sub]H[sub]2[/sub]?


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#19 2014-01-23 17:44:49

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Re: ketone

Sorry, Are you talking about this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether ?


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#20 2014-01-25 01:52:31

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Re: ketone

yes i was talking about ether and now i got the answer.
thanks.


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