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title asks it all

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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The question does not make sense.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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More obfuscated than http://ioccc.org/

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Lots of software contains much obfuscated code...

Didn't Einstein believe that the universe was designed to be understandable?

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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anonimnystefy wrote:

The question does not make sense.

Well something is open source when full information about its creation is completely available.

What we perceive to be our universe could be a computer simulation that is being run by creatures of higher conciousness

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Agnishom wrote:

anonimnystefy wrote:The question does not make sense.

Well something is open source when full information about its creation is completely available.

What we perceive to be our universe could be a computer simulation that is being run by creatures of higher conciousness

Then it might be open source, but that does not mean it is available to us.

The universe might be a simulation, but that has no implications whatsoever for it.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**niharika_kumar****Member**- From: Numeraland
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I feel its open source and it depends on us how far we can go.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Looks like there are parts of it that are locked away in old fashioned ROM.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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I do not see why we should look at the open-sourcedness from our point of view. It might be open source to the minds who created the simulation.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That would seem unfair would it not?

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Why?

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Then it would only be possible to be known to a few.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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bobbym wrote:

Then it would only be possible to be known to a few.

Not necessarily. We do not know what the higher beings are and what their number is.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Forget the higher beings, what about the lower beings? Must they remain dummies for eternity? Once a dummy, always a dummy?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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How do you expect a computer program to generate its own code?

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Back in the past there was an attempt to write software that would write code for itself. I do not know what became of it.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Wouldn't that be like an attempt of creating a Turing machine that evaluates if a given Turing machine halts?

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I do not know, the last time I read about a Turing machine I had a migraine for a week.

The point being undoubtedly the designer knows the code best. Can others reverse engineer some of what he did? I think we already know the answer to that.

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anonimnystefy wrote:

How do you expect a computer program to generate its own code?

That is called a Quine!

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Also, they were working on generating improved code or totally new.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Agnishom wrote:

anonimnystefy wrote:How do you expect a computer program to generate its own code?

That is called a Quine!

Yeah, but no code can refer to itself directly if we don't make it as such..

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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Okay, but like the DNA can replicate itself, Imagine that the simulation clones itself and runs a disassembler on its copy?

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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