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#276 Re: Help Me ! » Radicand Comes Out » 2023-11-18 21:43:06

amnkb wrote:
KerimF wrote:

May I add...

sqrt{(a + b)^2} = ±(a + b)

like sqrt{(1 + 2)^2} = sqrt(9) = ±3

actually, sqaure root is defined to be the positive answer

Based on this definition, you mentioned, you are totally right.

I just added what I know because in my designs, if I ended up with the equation:
x^2 - 9 = 0 
X^2 = 9
x = sqrt(9) = ±3
I had to consider both results.

But in case you believe that I do wrong, and I have to ignore always the negative result, please accept my apology.

#277 Re: Help Me ! » Real Solutions of the Quadratic Equation...B » 2023-11-17 17:41:00

sologuitar wrote:

When you say "a solution", do you mean there are more solutions?

As you know, in general, a quadratic equation has two roots (real or complex) if (b^2 - 4ac) ≠ 0. We may say that 'r' is one of them (for known a, b and c).

#278 Re: Help Me ! » Real Solutions of the Quadratic Equation...A » 2023-11-17 17:21:26

sologuitar wrote:

How did you know what to do? What data in the application led you to work out the problem as you did?

As you know, to compare two solutions, one just needs to find each of them first.

But in the case of someone who didn't hear yet the solution (root’s formula) of a quadratic equation, the proof will be much longer.

For instance, I forgot the math trick by which the root’s formula was found (when I was at school about 60 years ago), so now I needed to search “How to find the quadratic equation formula” to remember it sad

#279 Re: Help Me ! » Tricky or Lengthy Word Problems » 2023-11-17 16:31:36

May I add...

Necessity is the mother of invention... or innovation.
In other words, even the most intelligent human won't solve a problem if he is not interested in doing it.

Based on my own observations, I doubt a serious person cannot find a practical solution, directly or indirectly, of a project that he needed really in his personal life, though it may take him a day, a week, a month, a year, or even many decades to find it.

#280 Re: Help Me ! » Radicand Comes Out » 2023-11-17 16:01:04

May I add...

sqrt{(a + b)^2} = ±(a + b)

like sqrt{(1 + 2)^2} = sqrt(9) = ±3

#281 Re: Help Me ! » Square Root Raised to Square Root » 2023-11-17 15:46:09

May I add...

The main difficulty in solving a practical problem is to find the formulas/equations which will lead, usually by using math tricks, to the end values to be applied for a certain project.

We are fortunate now that, for solving an equation or formula, there are many numerical tools (likely PC programs), to choose from, which help us find the numerical answer(s) we are looking for.

For instance, solving a new problem whose formulas/equations are not known yet by humans, even the most intelligent robot cannot do it. Otherwise, humans will be no more needed in research departments smile

#282 Re: Help Me ! » Find a Function from Coordinates » 2023-11-16 15:46:42

So far, it seems there is no continuous function for f(x) whose curve could be made somehow close to the breaker's one.

I guess, a practical solution in this timing case could be the use of a piece-wise function.

Regards,
Kerim

#283 Re: Help Me ! » Find a Function from Coordinates » 2023-11-16 00:21:42

Bob wrote:

hi KerimF

I plotted x against LOG(y) in Excel and it looks like a negative power exponential. I've got to go out now so I'll come back later and, if needed, start trying an exact fit.

Bob

Hi Bob,

Thank you for replying.
My Excel is very old (2007) and its options of trendline are somehow restricted.
I try to figure out the possible general form of f(x) in order to calculate its parameters for this special graph.

Kerim

#284 Re: Help Me ! » Find a Function from Coordinates » 2023-11-15 20:12:48

I am 74. Lately, I write an MCU code (actually for ATmega8). And one of its algorithms is about emulating the response of a mechanical breaker (to cut a current when overload).

I thought I may gain time in asking for help. But I also understand that it may not be an easy exercise to most members.

For instance, I used to ask for technical help to also stimulate my brain's cells while some others may think with me about it (much like creating a virtual race... in which I may be the only racer).

So far, it is somehow obvious that f(x) here should have (x-1) in its denominator. And it should have two parameters, in the least, whose values let its graph be close to the breaker's response one.

I will be back when I will find a good f(x), unless someone will do it faster than me.

Good luck

#285 Help Me ! » Find a Function from Coordinates » 2023-11-15 09:44:51

KerimF
Replies: 4

The relation between the break time in seconds of an electrical breaker, y=brkTime, and the over-current ratio, x=I_real/I_nominal, is given by the following 6 points (x,y):
(1.03 , 3600)
(1.11 , 1000)
(1.35 , 100 )
(2.07 , 10)
(4.16 , 1)
(7.0 , 0.39)

Is it possible to find an analytical function, y=f(x), whose curve could be close to the one given above?
Thank you.

#286 Re: Puzzles and Games » Transporting fuel » 2018-10-03 13:08:17

The answer is:
The maximum quantity of fuel that could be delivered at the second city is 2400 litres.

#287 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Logical thinking of Humans » 2018-08-27 14:41:13

Based on the simple example I gave, you are totally right.

After all, it is not a crime if someone believes that his logic should be (or represents) the universal one to all humans smile
And a person is free to learn from some others what could be referred to as being a universal logic by which he will build and update his set of knowledge.

But, on my side, I won't be surprised anytime I meet a person who analyses things by a totally different logic of mine, if not opposing.
And the time I stop trusting my own logic more than of anyone else I would simply become a sheep among sheep smile

#288 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » The Meaning Of Life Is In The Dictionary! :) » 2018-08-27 13:17:52

I agree on what you said because it also describes reality as seen by many people.

But in my case and since my graduation, it was (still is) a shame for me if I have to work by following directions of some others (getting a good job as you said). I had no choice but to start a small business (with a capital of about $100) as a private designer of electronic controllers that the local consumers/market may need in every period of time.

It happens that the process of thinking (to discover new things; scientific and else) gives my body all pleasure it needs. So I, unlike all persons I knew, didn't have a real interest in having sexual pleasure with anyone. Naturally and since I also wasn't interested in being rich (hence not running after money and s_x), my family wasn't proud at all of me smile Even my uncle, a Catholic priest living in Paris, couldn't imagine that it is possible for a person to live without s_x!

For instance, the main reason for which it is out of question for me to have a wife is that marriage needs a third party that represents a certain authority in order to confirming it. In other words, in the conventional marriage, true love and trust come second (at best wink ). After all, true love and trust can exist between two real free/independent persons only who are usually rare in the world wink I personally cannot live and/or work with another if our relation has to be supervised by a law (a formal contract for example).

My first crucial question in my life (when I was teen and which I had to answer) was "What is the end purpose of being forced to exist (me), though temporarily, in this universe?". Only after I discovered the answer I have had a rather stable balanced life with myself and all others; no matter if one's role is to play the friend or enemy.

#289 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » The Meaning Of Life Is In The Dictionary! :) » 2018-08-27 05:45:23

Interesting study!

It describes, though from one angle only, how the instructions (rather very complex), that are embedded already in the living cells by the Maker, guide each human in playing the role(s) for which he is created.

I said "from one angle" because "doing good things" is a relative matter and depends on the complete nature of which a person is made.
To be clearer, despite the big differences among the persons I have met, no one seems (in private personal conversations) not being proud of himself about what he/she believes and does in general.

And the common point to most of them is following the majority that lives around them. After all, this is typical to all common peoples who live in different regions in the world... in order to be on the safe side smile

#290 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Logical thinking of Humans » 2018-08-27 04:56:50

Primenumbers wrote:

I thought the tool of logic was universal?

What are you saying then? You use the existence of things that don’t exist to prove things that do exist?

How does that work?

If A then B
No A
Therefore B

Wouldn’t your reasoning just be false then?

.........It’s very interesting.

Sorry for not being clear about how using certain non-existent (abstract) objects could help know better some real things.

To simplify solving the equations of an electronic filter for example, I use complex numbers (real + imaginary) to model its real elements (resistors, capacitors... etc.). If the solution is right, all deduced results (giving the values of the real elements) will end up to be real numbers only (the imaginary numbers were just a temporary tool as the temporary wooden structure to build a concrete house).
Of course, one could solve such problems without using the notion of the imaginary number SQRT(-1), but the work would be somehow harder to do.

To me in the least, defining something not real doesn't imply - for sure - it cannot be useful in feeding better one's real knowledge in some respects.

But, concerning the above example, let us be rational. Millions (if not billions) of people around the world don't need including the concept of this imaginary SQRT(-1) in their logical reasoning.

I mean, if a "certain" concept (notion) of an unreal thing doesn't interest many rational intelligent people in the world, this doesn't mean it has to be so to all other rational intelligent humans smile

Sorry, I try my best not to go further since here is a math forum.

#291 Re: Help Me ! » Does 1 = .999...? » 2018-08-26 00:56:59

Usually, mathematics is a tool, not a target.
For example, if I get a number in the range {9K5 to 10K5} for the value of a resistor, I would simply select the 10K resistor. Obviously, the designed circuit should be made to work properly even if the exact value of the resistor in use is also a bit outside this range.

On the other hand, solving math problems could be a target if it is for fun... as testing the level of one's logic (logical reasoning).

#292 Re: Puzzles and Games » Transporting fuel » 2018-08-13 20:20:02

I heard of this problem in early 80’s from a person returning from France. He told me that it was a question in a context TV show (French) that couldn’t get an answer. After about 40 years, I am not sure what its original numbers were but I still remember how I solved it. Its few equations have each one variable (unknown) of the first degree.

For instance, when I was a student and before starting a math exam, I noticed a colleague in my classroom trying, in vain, to solve an exercise that was expected to be given in the exam. I thought that helping him is a good thing. So I reminded him the basic hint by which the exercise in question could be solved rather easily. He looked at me and said: “Who asked you for help? I bet you are happy now for proving you are smarter than I”. So I apologized, but since then I fully understood the famous saying “Ask and you will be given” which also means “Give if you are asked... otherwise don’t blame the other side for any unexpected reaction” wink

#294 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Mensuration » 2018-08-11 18:26:39

M #385

If the perimeters are equal

Ss = Sc * π / 4

where:
Ss = the area of the square field
Sc = the area of the circular field

Therefore:
Ss= 3850 * (22/7) / 4 = 3025 square meters

#295 Puzzles and Games » Transporting fuel » 2018-08-11 05:42:09

KerimF
Replies: 2

A city has 13,500 litres of fuel in excess to be sent to another city in need at a distance of 450 miles.
The capacity of the available transport tank is 4500 litres and it consumes 10 litres/mile.
It is possible to use fuel reservoirs at many locations on the road as necessary.

The question is:
What is the maximum quantity of fuel that could be delivered at the second city?

#296 Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Logical thinking of Humans » 2018-08-10 22:38:19

KerimF
Replies: 4

In theory in the least, humans are supposed to reason things based on a universal logical thinking.

Actually, I have noticed that also logic, as everything else in the universe, is relative to the observer (to the person in question).
But this doesn’t imply that the number of human logics is equal to the number of humans on earth wink

Let me start with a practical example:
On my side, I don’t mind accepting a notion about something which is not real if it (as a tool) helps me discover the world better.

So when I started learning geometry, I didn’t object using in my studies the unreal object called “the geometrical dot” which has no dimensions by definition. Also I accepted to work with straight lines while their two ends at infinity are out of reach in my real world. And thanks to the notion of the basic imaginary number (i or j) whose square is -1, many problems of real projects could be solved faster and easier.

On the other hand, I usually don’t believe an idea or story (made public) as being real and true just because some other people (even in billions) do. It has to pass my logical reasoning first in order to add it in my set of knowledge.

Do all humans (mature adults) on earth have a set of knowledge close to mine? I doubt though they are not less intelligent than I.

For instance, I, unlike most people, apply the "same" processes of logical reasoning in all my studies which could be related to my human living flesh (science), my human living soul (spirituality) and the real world (mainly its hidden truths); the world as it is on the ground, far from history, the great speeches and the news.

With time, my various studies have helped me understand better how and why humans have to be different; starting from their different main priorities in life that suit best the deep nature of which they are created.

Please notice that, after all I said, it is just me... and my logic smile


Kerim

#297 Re: Puzzles and Games » Playing with natural numbers and SQRT » 2018-08-10 09:44:18

Alg Num Theory wrote:

If a = 2, b = 1, c = 4, then A = √(2+1·√ 4) = 2, B = √(2−1·√ 4) = 0, S = A + B = 2 ≠ b.

Good work.

In this case, the original statement should be updated as:
"If their sum A+B=S comes out as a natural number, S equals b if b ≠ 1".

Thank you.

Added:
also a ≠ 0, b ≠ 0 and c ≠ 0

#298 Puzzles and Games » Playing with natural numbers and SQRT » 2018-08-10 02:32:19

KerimF
Replies: 2

We have the two algebraic expressions A and B:

A= SQRT[ a + b*SQRT(c) ] and B= SQRT[ a - b*SQRT(c) ]

If “a”, “b” and “c” are natural numbers (positive integers), A and B will likely be real numbers, not natural ones.
But if their sum A+B=S comes out as a natural number, S equals “b” always.

First, I wonder if there is even one set of “a”, “b and “c” (natural numbers) that lets S be a natural number as well but not equal to “b”.
I personally couldn't find it.

Second, in case S=b (as it is supposed to be), the 3 numbers satisfy the relation c = a – b^2/4.
For example, if a=19 and b=8, c=3 (and S=b=8).

This is an example about how the sum of two non-finite decimal numbers (as A and B here) could be a nice integer.

Kerim

#299 Introductions » Hello! » 2018-08-10 01:22:47

KerimF
Replies: 1

Hello everybody,

I am about 70. Math is my favourite since I was a kid (calculus in early years).
It happens that the process of logical thinking gives me always the greatest pleasure. So I am fortunate that my brain keeps working wink though not as it used doing when I was rather young.
Obviously, math has helped me at work, since graduation (many decades ago), as a private designer (hardware and firmware) of various electronic controllers (needed by the local market/consumers).

It is nice having the chance to meet new friends who also like math.

Wish the best for all,

Kerim

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