Math Is Fun Forum

Maybe the Romans did the world a big disservice by conquering Greece. There new knowledge was cherished and debated, now not so much.

More programs for a better understanding:
https://codefile.io/f/p95ZebEuC0
https://codefile.io/f/QUhgJeuuwd
https://codefile.io/f/95iu8pP712
https://codefile.io/f/EPpON7BGQJ
https://codefile.io/f/9bizl8rtgt

Bob,
I want to thank you for allowing my post! This is the first forum to allow it. As you know this breaks new ground. That is hard for people educated to believe that what they ‘know’ will always be that way. They also have the major problem of not being able to use deductive logic, therefore they have problems thinking clearly about a problem. It is easier to just go with the flow as taught. Tried to post it to the ‘coder’s corner’ section, they took it down as fast as they could.

One thing that no one has asked about, the wait time. Count how small the time is in the program. Something is not correct here, to many 0’s. This is one of those times where being old school, having to be familiar with ‘assemble language’. I’m indirectly addressing the register in the CPU and resetting it so it will latch onto the next nano second time. Try commenting out the wait time and see what it does. The second time will be exactly as the first time.

Please, I would like any comments on how to get this out to the public? I have tried to get this ‘published’ only to be rejected. I cannot get it past the gate keepers.

Please, share this.

Thanks,
Leonard Dye

My bad! Thanks for pointing it out. I don't do fraction very often. Not an excuse.

Bob,
I was taught deductive logic and has served me well, but I am not in the teaching field.
"One problem with people with deductive logic understanding, they are harder to lead. Isn't that a good thing rather than a problem." That depends on the government. Do they just want people who will work as a cog in their wealth and power generating system or do they want clear thinking people to be able to live their best lives.

Bob,
Thanks for your input. Email me and I will send the data to you, two hundred sets of sixty thousand binary bits put into Excel 365. The email address is in the Copyright notice. As for moving this, it is up to the forum. However, remember that computer programmers are taught that this is not possible.

One thing that I do not think people think about is that our country monitors other countries including their internet forums. Do you think other countries don't monitor our forums? Do you think that China or Russia already has this now! Yes. They monitor me. This is basic math. It is just as necessary as addition or subtraction for proper understanding of mathematics.

Yes Bob, there are a lot of tests for randomness. However, if one looks carefully, they are just approximations of randomness. I will be glad to send them to you or you can download them from NIST for free.

This is part of the data. This covers the entire 12,000,000 bits.
Maximum           Minimum        Spread   
0.504966667    0.493466667    0.0115           Mean
           
0.5                    0.499957314    4.2686E-05    Standard Deviation
           
298                    -392                    690                    Over and under 30,000
           
           
0.499999973    Standard Deviation of 12,000,000 bits       
0.5    Best Possible Standard Deviation of binary   

Thanks for everyone's interest.   
woodturner550

I’m very pleased that this forum understands what has been done. This is just the first step in bringing ‘new knowledge’ to all. This must be peer reviewed! It has been sent to NSA and they don’t reply or even acknowledge receiving the project.

Understanding that it is taught in computer classes that a digital computer cannot make ‘real’ random numbers because it follows a set of commands, it will always only make ‘pseudo’ random numbers. This is incorrect as has been shown. However, those educated in digital computers, including professors, are so blinded by their educated understanding that they won’t even look at possible ‘new knowledge.’

How to bring this forward is the part I don’t have the answer to. I’m hoping this forum entry will be shown to others and maybe people will open up to new learning.

Just as a side note, this has the possibility of being able to help in the stopping of ‘Ransomware’ attacks.

I understand that this is not a programing forum, but in this case, it is necessary to say that so far all that is known is the theory and the deductive logic. A little knowledge can be very dangerous. Do not be afraid that you have wasted your time. I will be showing how the algorithm is applied to get quality ‘random numbers.’ If ‘time’ is not used correctly the output will not have the needed quality.
I work with Python 3.7+ for the programing language. I also used PyCharm for my IDE, it is great.

# This program was written in spaghetti code style. This is done for clarity. Output is the same when written normally.
# Programing can be misunderstood by some people who want to try splitting hairs.
# Author: Leonard Dye, tomanytroubles@gmail.com, May 31, 2024 - Copyrighted 10/14/2023
import time
import random

def challenge():
    number_of_needed_numbers = 10
    count = 0
    lowest_random_number_needed = 0
    highest_random_number_needed = 1

    while count < number_of_needed_numbers:
        start_time = time.time()  # get first time
        print("start time ", start_time)
        time.sleep(0.00000000000001)  # wait
        end_time = time.time()  # get second time
        print("end time ", end_time)
        low_time = ((end_time + start_time) / 2)  # covert to one time
        print("low time ", low_time)
        start_time1 = time.time()  # get third time
        print("start time1 ", start_time1)
        time.sleep(0.00000000000001)  # wait
        end_time1 = time.time()  # get fourth time
        print("end time1 ", end_time1)
        high_time = ((end_time1 + start_time1) / 2)  # convert to one time
        print("high time ", high_time)
        random.seed((high_time + low_time) / 2)
        random_number = random.randint(lowest_random_number_needed, highest_random_number_needed)
        count += 1
        print(random_number)
        print("")
        print("")

if __name__ == '__main__':
    challenge()  # go to top, 'def challenge'

If there are any questions, please ask! I have tried to make things clear with out over writing the subject. If it is not clear to you then most likely there are other people with the same problem.
Thanks,
woodturner550

Stopwatch Problem
1.       Time, it includes hours, minutes, seconds and nanoseconds. True or False
2.       Clicking the button at the start of an event marks the beginning of the event. True or False
3.       The value of the beginning of the event CANNOT be known before it happens.  True or False
4.       Output of a digital stopwatch CANNOT be known before it appears on screen.  True or False
5.       Therefore, time can be used as an unknowable data point.  True or False
                            ****************************************
The above is deductive logic. Every statement is either true or false. This leads to clear thinking about a problem. Knowledge learned and understood this way cannot be disproved unless ‘new knowledge’ on the problem is found.
If you agree that all five are true, then we can proceed with the knowledge that nobody can know the time at the beginning of an event.
Thanks
Leonard