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CHewy

As I said before,I do not know the Koran by heart,and I do not express things very well in english.I tried to translate things as better I could to make sense,I'm not fitting the words,I said many times that I may not translate write,but I tried to keep the exac meaning.In albanian we say things like I said previously.

People who knows the Koran by heart,say exaqctly what is says.
But we who do not know it by heart,we say the meaning of these words.It's the same.

I agree with you.There are proof in the Bible that God existe,because our God is also you God.It's just that you have differents thought about it,like the Trinity,3 in 1.

Islam accet that the """original""" Bible was the word of God,but humans while translating it,they changed things in it for own porpous (without offends).
We also believe that Jesus(Isa for muslims) was born in a "divine manner"",but the difference in this point is that,Jesus is not son of God.

God can't have sons!!!!!!!!!!!!
In arabic,a sure (Ihklas) say:
KUL HU WALL-LLAHU EHAD
ALL-LLAHUS SAMED
LEM JELID WE LEM JULED
WE LEM JEKUN L-LEHU KUFUWEN EHAD

wich means:
Say:He is Allah,the One!
Allah,the eternally Besought of all!
He begetteth not nor was begotten.
And there is none comparable to Him.

The other difference,also is the Trinity.
I can't understand the Trinity.How can 3 be in 1.
I lived in Switzerland for about 10 years and I know in what christians belive,but I can't understand the Trinity!!!

That was at the beginning the differences between muslims and christian.
Now there are more and more.

I AM NOT CONTRADICTING MY SELF.

You don't understand because you think as like you read.Words have a lot of meanings.
When I said that I want to continue to have a talk with you and to change the topic,I was speaking of talking for something else.

You do always the same thing.You read the text,you try to find an "error" in the text and the "errors" that you take,you take them as they are writed.You don't think what is the true meaning of the words that are writted

I am truly sorry.I didn't want to insult you.
I wasn't talking about you.
It was just an example,in wich you can conlcude that things aren't always as you see them.

Of course I want to have a discution with you(a talk),bevause you have very good question!!!!!!!
It's better for us to close this discution about religion.
You belive in what you belive,and I belive in what I belive.
Let us change the topic.

Have you ever heard of Kosovo??If yes,what do you think about Kosovo?To be more correct,what have you heard about Kosovo???

Again you are not understanding.
Allah created everything,good and bad.Allah in the Koran say that we are created to worship him,but he let us decide to believe or to not believe in him.
An example.
An proffesor of philosophy asked a student :Do you believe in GOD?
He said: Yes
P-proffessor
S-student

and then the discution between them is:
P-How do you know that GOD exist when you don't see him.
If you can't see him,He don't exist.
S-If it's so,I can simply say that you do not have mind,because we can't see your mind,so you don't have mind!!!

It is not the all discution between them because it a litlle bit long,but these line represent esence of the discution.

Don't worry I am not offended.

As I said before,theories may not be true.

I didn;t say that the existence of Allah is a theory,it's a religion.In albanian we say "Look at you,your body and everything around yoo.Can't you see the wondres of  Allah.Just look you body and you will see that you are made by """""""something perfect""""".You are made by Allah.You have thousand of proof in you body that Allah exist"

I do believe in Allah,and something that I've heard from someone gave me more faith.
He said "All of this that you see  can not be pure coincidence" (I mean all the things that we see,feel etc.)

In Albanian,the word "religion" is translated in ""besim"(wich means "to believe").
So religion is something for those people who want to believe.
If you were speaking albanian,I could tell you so many things why I believe in Allah,but no in english,because I can translate them in a not coorect way,and you could missunderstand it.

PS.The Koran tells how the world is created and how it will ends.It doesn't predict personal things.

Here is the link where you can fins the Koran in english

http://etext.virginia.edu/koran.html

All of you that are interested,can look some debate about the Bible and the Coran,Christianity and Islam,in internet.Just write "Ahmet Deedat" in Google,and you can watch some videos and I think that after looking them,you'll have more clearly ideas about the world and everything.

For my part,I always have been more "scientist" than "theolog".
I am a muslim,I believe in Allah,the SUpreme Power ,WHO createtd everything.
I never practiced "rithual" of worshiping Allah till now,but what makes me believe every day more and more in Allah,is the Coran.
I have some friends that are very religoius,and they gave me a Coran to read it,even till now I didn't read it(I read just few parts),and in the Coran,there are many many things that are proved nowdays by science.

Example,in the Coran,Allah say:" We have separated the sky and the ground to make them two different part"-(it's not what exactly what it say,because I dont know the Coran by heart),and if we link with science,the Big Bang theory,as this theory say,the universe(everything in the universe) was "collected" in a "ball" (like black whole) and something happend that it exploded,but Why it exploded,we don't know!!!-and the universe was created

Other proofs,it says that the water of two seas don't "mixed" in each other waters(I'm not so good to express thing in english).

The proof is that example,the Atlantic ocean and the
Mediteranine sea do not "exchange" water.It is scientifically proved that the water in the "border" of them do not "mix",they keep their salinity and do not "mix"

Other proof:
It also say how the fetus is formed,and in the time when the Coran was reveled,no one didn't know how the fetus is formed.

The first word in Coran are "Read,read in the name of your God",which means also that Islam is not against science,actually Islam is pro science,discoveries and other things.

In the Coran it says: "We have created man from clay'"(I'm not sure if its the corect term "clay")
The proof,the human body has the same chimical elements like the ground,and when some one die,we "bury" him into it.

A little explaination,when it says "We",it do not mean that there are more that one God,but it's a sign of respect that Allah used it to say "I".:)

I read a peace of the Coran,that proofs the Einstein relativity theory.
It says: "There they rised the angles and Gabriel(Jibril)-(the most important angel) in a day that last 50 000 years"
(Meharixh,4)

And for those how say that the COran is a man 'creation",here is the answer:How could someone knew the theory of relativity when the Coran was Reveled,when Muhammed(Peace and Mercy upon him) didn't knew to read????????????
Simply,the Coran is the word of Allah,it doesn't contain contradictious elements in it,it is simply the word of Allah,who is perfect in everything.

"He (Allah) coordinates all from the sky to the earth (wich means everything) and then evrything created by Him will return to it in the Day wich by your calculation is 1000 years"

To prove that,engel are created from light,and other beings aren't from light.Light go faster than everything,so from the relativity theory,if you go faster,you slow down the time,so engels travel faster and for a shorter time.

ANother proof from Astronomy and physics.

In the Coran it says: "We have rised the sky with our power and we can do more"  (Dharijate,47)
Wich means that Allah created the univers and He is expanding it.
It is prooved by HUBBLE that the universe is expanding every second,and this expanding is a constant phenomenon.

Also Einstein,has "anulated" or "canceled" time and space in his theory.He say: " You can't speak about space without time,and you can speak for time without space.Considering that everything moves,and that everyhting must have it's time...and for as much as everything moves faster,it's time of moving will be reduced in ratio with the time of other movings and it will be slower(shorter) than their time"

I don't remember for now other proofs,but I'll ask a friends that knows by heart the entire Coran,and I'll write the proofs,that all of you could see them.

I don't think that the possibilty of creating a black hole is high,bevause,even so,it will "exist" just few seconds,and I think that the experiment that theyr are doing,it's a very imoprtatnt experiments.It can gave us a lot of explaination about how the univers is created.

I don't know what happent,because I wrote a post were I said that I'm 18 years old,I'm from Mitrovica(Kosovo) but I think that I made a mkistakes,I edited it and I deleted the previous text.
Have you ever heard about Kosovo?
Where are you from?

Now I'm in the 12-th grade,gymnasium(High school),mathematic-informatic department

Yes,you were right,in my paper I wrote that,but when I wrote in the reply,I accidentaly missed the -4x^2.
About the answer I'll see again about

I'll ee about the other question,because I replyed you just a few seconds after the anterrior reply.
I'll see them later because I must go.
By the way,in which grade are you???