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#1401 Re: This is Cool » I disagree with » 2006-04-03 17:07:35

e=1
Proof
e= (1+1/n)[sup]n[/sup] where n is fully grown
n is fully grown, thus 1/n=0 the base is now 1
from induction and imagination we know 1[sup]∞[/sup]=1
∴e=1

#1402 Re: This is Cool » The Shape of a Suspension Bridge's Main Cable » 2006-04-03 16:59:50

cannot enlarge them in posts don't know how others could do it

#1403 Re: This is Cool » The Shape of a Suspension Bridge's Main Cable » 2006-04-03 16:51:22

The discontinuity:
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n,m,g,W,+
if we name the mid verticle cable the 0th verticle, we can also name all five verticle cables -2nd verticle, -1st verticle, 0th verticle, 1st verticle and 2nd verticle. and then we can define on each Δx is distributed with same mass m. g represents acceleration due to earth gravity.

1/2mg=def=W hence mg=2W

at the upper end of nth verticle(the tri-knit), forces are always 3, one downward(gravitional force), one leftward, and one rightward. define horizontally rightward and verticly upward +,and use cartesian expression of vectors. Using Newton's 1st and 2nd Law,we will easily get the table below.

nth                     0            1             2               3 (not displayed in graph)
leftwardforce (-h*,W)  (-h,-W)#  (-h,-3W) (-h,-5W)  *h is unkown
rightwardforce(h,W)#  (h,3W)     (h,5W)    (h,7W)
LF tangent         --          W/h         3W/h         5W/h
height-increament--     (W/h)Δx   3(W/h)Δx  5(W/h)Δx
height              0(set)  (W/h)Δx   4(W/h)Δx  9(W/h)Δx
distance           0(set)      Δx           2Δx           3Δx

# (h,W) and (-h,-W) are anti each other (Newton's 2nd Law)
at nth knit, LF+RF=2W, always(from 1st Law)
hence height= C distance², ignoring measure

but if the main cable behave more like a soft rope rather than a solid dome, it will bend more at the knits, thus not perfect parabola.

#1404 Re: This is Cool » The Shape of a Suspension Bridge's Main Cable » 2006-04-02 18:44:02

Why is my uploaded image so small ??? Anyone help me ...

#1405 Re: This is Cool » The Shape of a Suspension Bridge's Main Cable » 2006-04-02 18:39:37

Thank you for your enthusiasm, jchristophm. It's really natural to think it as a catenary. (actually it was also my instinct)

Myorigenal model (edited):
My model is to cut the whole by the same horizontal distance, Δx,  and assume that cablepieces are straight, and that the concret road pieces are don't support each other. It finally derives the tangents  of the cable pieces develop by 0, k, 3k, 5k, 7k...to each side, where k is an unknown constant related to cable flexibilty. And that's similar to the motion that an arrow does without air resistance.

The solution from your link is more advanced.

Still, to be exact, allow me to say that it's only near parabola for in-continousity.

Any way, next time we see a SB, we will enjoy its beauty and know its cables rest almost parabolas. dizzy

#1406 Re: Help Me ! » integrating trigonometric functions » 2006-04-02 18:09:58

never mind, a systematic book is really helpful, hehe. wink

#1407 Re: Help Me ! » stats urgent! » 2006-04-01 02:29:13

2) 1/365 1/365[sup]2[/sup] is the probability that the 2 persons' birthday happen to be on a particular day, say April 1st, consider all 365 cases in particular days in a year satisfy the problem, the total probability would be
1/1/365[sup]2[/sup] (Jan 1st)+ 1/1/365[sup]2[/sup] (Jan 2nd) +...+1/1/365[sup]2[/sup] (Dec 31st)=1/365
this is one way to solve. an simplier alternative is to equate the second person's birthday to the given first one's 1/365

1)among the 15 drivers living on one particular street, 3 were involved in a car accident last year--ignore this piece of information.(for samples too few to prove the existing 8% probability wrong)
thus 8% is the chance that one single driver of the random 15 is involved in a CA
Let x denotes the number of drivers amoung 15 happened to be involved in a CA
P(0)+P(1)+ ... +P(15)=1
P(0)=0.92[sup]15[/sup]
P(1)=C(1,15) 0.08 0.92[sup]14[/sup]
P(2)=C(2,15) 0.08² 0.92[sup]13[/sup]
C(1,15)=15   C(2,15)=15 14 / 2!
C(k,m)=def= Number of Ways to Select k from m
the prob should be 1-P(0)-P(1)-P(2)

for q4 , my advice is --Check out the other 4 definations! big_smile

#1408 Re: Formulas » Differential Calculus Formulas » 2006-03-31 15:41:58

--solving procedure

p(t) could any function without y, constant is ok.

Linear means no y, y[sup]2[/sup] or yy', etc.

So virtually there are only y and y' multiplied by function of t or constant,  function of t,  and constant are allowed in the 1st Order Linear DE. And the DEs satisfying this condition can be easily transformed into the standard form above through division.

#1409 Re: Maths Is Fun - Suggestions and Comments » Rounding numbers in recent additions » 2006-03-31 15:33:34

0.0 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4  5 numbers
0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9  5 numbers
fair

0.00 0.01 ... 0.49 50 numbers
0.50 0.51 ... 0.99 50 numbers
fair

0.000 0.001 ... 0.499 500 numbers
0.500 0.501 ... 0.999 500 numbers
fair

so the rounding can be inferred (imagined) as fair.
when talking about infinity, you can only infer and define.

#1412 Re: Introductions » not THAT new » 2006-03-31 14:33:22

big_smile
We are not alone---Vampires

#1414 Re: This is Cool » The Shape of a Suspension Bridge's Main Cable » 2006-03-31 14:30:17

Actually, my friend disagrees with my answer, thus A and B are our answers.

And the shape should be like a parabola or an arc, not exactly for sure.

Different people, different models, so
Welcome Your Model

#1415 Re: This is Cool » Cold Fusion » 2006-03-31 14:24:50

Or did they really see some strange effect which they cannot duplicate because they don't know what caused it?
--Perhaps

#1416 Re: Help Me ! » Very Simple Proofs » 2006-03-31 14:23:43

Whenever it cannot be proved, it should be defined.

I agreeee...

#1417 This is Cool » The Shape of a Suspension Bridge's Main Cable » 2006-03-30 22:22:57

George,Y
Replies: 20

Aesthetic, light, and strong, suspension bridges can span distances from 2,000 to 7,000 feet -- far longer than any other kind of bridge. They also tend to be the most expensive to build. True to its name, a suspension bridge suspends the roadway from huge main cables, which extend from one end of the bridge to the other. These cables rest on top of high towers and are secured at each end by anchorages.

The towers enable the main cables to be draped over long distances. Most of the weight of the bridge is carried by the cables to the anchorages, which are imbedded in either solid rock or massive concrete blocks. Inside the anchorages, the cables are spread over a large area to evenly distribute the load and to prevent the cables from breaking free.

suspension2.jpeg
Suspension bridge
Golden Gate Bridge, San Francisco, CA
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Now my question is, what's the shape of a suspension bridge's main cable in between the two towers?  I got an answer from my rough model. And one of the two alternatives is my real answer.
A a PARABOLA  B an ARC
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Of course you may have your own answer. Anyway, say your answer and demonstrate it in this topic big_smile

#1418 Re: This is Cool » Infinity » 2006-03-30 22:02:44

I mean, they would not bother

#1420 Re: Introductions » Hellllllllllooooooo! » 2006-03-30 21:59:31

you may consider the chance of being a father, or an exorist big_smile

#1421 Re: Introductions » not THAT new » 2006-03-30 21:55:22

Welcome lkomarci, you may post some of overchallenging questions here, and let us solve them together.We are not alone. tongue

#1422 Re: This is Cool » Infinity » 2006-03-30 21:50:14

Sorry i cannot answer your question in detail, recommand you to read a math history book. Ealier mathematicians are no less smarter than us, they must had found some controversy to give a similarity to rationals and irrs, and to abandon the simple Ancient Greek grouping of ras and irras.

#1423 Re: This is Cool » Infinity » 2006-03-30 14:16:43

big_smile hope you won't be landing a rocket

#1424 Re: This is Cool » Infinity » 2006-03-30 14:13:05

"Infinity goes on and on and on ..." is the normal idea. But it makes people think of infinity as a "dynamic" thing, and they want to see what is happening at the "unfolding edge".

Well, this defination was invented by Cauchy,A.L. and improved by Weierstrass,A.a

You have a very good question, Cauchy's defination has a flaw: Given the limit value, the variable can be as close to it as you want--but where do this limit value come from? do you predict it? or do you simply see it in a graph?

Weierstrass, Meray,C, Dedkind,R and Cantor,G gave their solutions in between 1850 and 1900, they claim that according to Cantor's and Dedkind's defination, real numbers are continuous, hence limit manuplition can be applied to real world. Here real numbers are no longer simply rationals plus irrationals.

Their flaw was attacked by Russel, the famous British mathematician, logician and poet. He attacked that reals are dummies of rationals, and proved circular logic of barbar's(representing rationals) paradox. During half a century since then, mathematicians loving calculus and those loving logic had been quarraling about validity of reals. Logicians also took part, including  Charles Sanders Peirce...

In the last years of Cantor, he proved a point equals to the whole universe according to his defination(Dedkind's defination was homogenous). He can only refer to God to defend his proposition and argue with challengers. He finally died with mental disorder.

David Hilbert is the one who ended this quarral, he proved Cantor's defination homogenous to the ancient Greeks geographic propositon a line is consist of numerous neighboring non space points. They are both true or both false.

It's upon a mathematician to freely chose to believe or disbelieve these propositions. They are the begining and cannot be proven, though with logic flaws.

Obviously, recent prof in universities won't persue logic, and according to their favor, they'd rather believe.

#1425 Re: This is Cool » rounding to nearest HALF digit » 2006-03-29 15:00:08

you may compare its competence with common rounding and the half's exponents system 1/2 1/4 1/8 ...

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