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#151 Re: Help Me ! » 15 people in a row » 2016-04-11 23:00:33

19, right?

man, woman, kid
{m,m,w,w}
{m,w,w,m}
{m,w,w,w}
{m,w,w,k}
{m,k,w,w}
{w,w,m,m}
{w,w,m,w}
{w,w,m,k}
{w,w,w,m}
{w,w,w,w}
{w,w,w,k}
{w,w,k,m}
{w,w,k,w}
{w,w,k,k}
{k,m,w,w}
{k,w,w,m}
{k,w,w,w}
{k,w,w,k}
{k,k,w,w}

#152 Re: Help Me ! » Some math problems » 2016-04-11 22:12:26

A fact about 1. is that the difference between the result for two successive integers, f(n) - f(n-1), is:

which converges to +/- 1 very fast, suggesting that integers with an absolute value above 5 do not need to be checked.

#153 Re: Help Me ! » 15 people in a row » 2016-04-11 21:14:15

Hi anna_gg,

That is strange. The numbers I have given are not in doubt assuming the truth of your formulas. I calculated them using the combinations and permutations calculator from this site with the help of the "pattern" rule. Perhaps you could give it a try here https://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html
I suppose it is possible that I made a logical error

#154 Re: Help Me ! » 15 people in a row » 2016-04-10 01:01:42

Hi, unfortunately I don't have a good intuitive understanding of the answers myself tongue I just know that the math works, by computer-generating answers and then finding equations that produce those answers.

Another thing confirmed this way is that if you want the number of combinations with a particular number x of one type sitting adjacent to each other, that is given by 3^(15-x+1) - 2^(15-x+1). So in other words, if we want to know the number of combinations with at least one male, that is 3^15 - 2^15 (which is pretty intuitive, since 2^15 is the number with males excluded). For some reason, the number with two adjacent males, 3^14 - 2^14. With three, 3^13 - 2^13.

The formula for when there are both 3 adjacent males and two adjacent females, 3^12 - 2*2^12 + 1, I must confess I don't understand at all.

As for the formula for the final answer, that involves the total number of combinations with the numbers with three adjacent males (but not two adj. females), two adj. females (but not three adj. males), and both two females and three males taken out.

#157 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Mensuration » 2016-04-09 18:07:17

Hi (: You mean the perimeter of the sector is 16.4 cm, not the circle P: That of the circle is 10.4pi cm

#159 Re: Help Me ! » Algebra (2?) Problem » 2016-04-09 06:10:15

You didn't do anything wrong. Your equation actually simplifies to bobbym's

#161 Re: Help Me ! » 15 people in a row » 2016-04-09 04:02:07

I can find the answer from what anna_gg has provided. Thanks! smile
Note that the number of combinations for two adjacent females given is for 14 seats, not 15. The number for 15 is presumably 4,766,585.

I believe the answer is 3^(number of seats) - (combinations with both adjacencies) - (combos with 3 adj. males - combos with both) - (combos with 2 adj. females - combos with both)

Substituting:

Given anna_gg's information, we can also find a general formula for any number of seats.


#164 Re: Help Me ! » 15 people in a row » 2016-04-08 01:13:05

I can only tentatively reason that the answer is probably between 8,460,000 - 8,490,000 and might be close to 8,482,000. But I am no good at sorting out complex sequences.

#165 Re: Help Me ! » 15 people in a row » 2016-04-07 22:23:21

It's a shame that you selected the number 15 for the seats. Math Is Fun's own Combinations and Permutations Calculator will give the answer for 14 seats or less.

Perhaps I will list the answers and information for lower numbers of seats and see if we can deduce a pattern.

#170 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Mensuration » 2016-04-07 17:05:00

Hey smile There is no need to approximate pi, since it cancels

#174 Re: Help Me ! » [ASK] Height of an Icosahedron » 2016-04-07 10:09:26

Hey Monox D. I-Fly,

I don't really know how to help out with the main issue, but I did want to point out that there is something peculiar about the line of equations you wrote.
Namely, the third to seventh lines are really one half of the first two, not equal to them. The correct denominator is 2, not 4.

#175 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Oral puzzles » 2016-04-06 19:25:14

Hey (: There are many solutions

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