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#1 2024-03-14 20:44:01

tony123
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5 problems

1.Positive integers m and n satisfy


Find

2.Find the positive integer n such that

3.A trapezoid has side lengths

and
in some order. Find its area

4.A rectangle with integer side lengths has the property that its area minus 5 times its perimeter equals

Find the minimum possible perimeter of this rectangle.

5.For real numbers a, b, and c, the roots of the polynomial

form an
arithmetic progression. Find

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#2 2024-03-14 22:45:03

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Re: 5 problems

Thanks Tony,

More (hopefully) later.

Bob

ps. Still stuck with http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=432520#p432520

Maybe I need a little hint please.


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#3 2024-03-26 21:25:46

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Re: 5 problems

Bob


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#4 2024-05-08 21:27:26

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Re: 5 problems

For Q4, is it the area minus (5 times the perimeter),

As in A - 5P = 2023

Or is it (the area minus 5) times the perimeter,

As in (A - 5) * P = 2023

I'm guessing it's the first one??

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#5 2024-05-08 22:36:31

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Re: 5 problems

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#6 2024-05-08 23:00:39

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Re: 5 problems

Oh I forgot the sides are integers.

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#7 2024-05-08 23:31:08

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Re: 5 problems

I think for Q3 you use Brahmagupta's formula


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#8 2024-05-09 00:33:02

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Re: 5 problems

Regarding Q5, help is needed on finding roots of quintic equations and what's needed to see the answer, thanks smile

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#9 2024-05-12 18:57:47

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Re: 5 problems

Can anyone show how to do Q5??


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#10 2024-05-12 19:36:48

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Re: 5 problems

I called the roots a, a+d, a+2d, a+3d and a+4d and expanded that quintic. There were things about the resulting expression that suggested a + b  + c = 9, but I'm not confident that's the correct answer so this one is still on my 'to-do list'.

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#11 2024-05-14 00:18:14

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Re: 5 problems

tony123 wrote:

5.For real numbers a, b, and c, the roots of the polynomial

form an
arithmetic progression. Find

This exercise has a solution if the right side of the equation is 32 instead of 320.


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#12 2024-05-14 00:42:50

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Re: 5 problems

Well, I also found the solution in case the right side is 320.
a+b+c=49

Kerim


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#13 2024-05-14 00:44:53

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Re: 5 problems

Interesting, any chance you can explain how you worked it out? We all had a go and didn't get there.

K_R


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#14 2024-05-14 01:24:36

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Re: 5 problems

Keep_Relentless wrote:

Can anyone show how to do Q5??

(x-A)*(x-B)*(x-C)*(x-D)*(x-E) = 0

x^5 - (x^4)*(A + B + C + D + E) + (x^3)*(A*B + A*C + A*D + B*C + B*D + C*D + A*E + B*E + C*E + D*E) - (x^2)*(A*B*C + A*B*D + A*C*D + B*C*D + A*B*E + A*C*E + A*D*E + B*C*E + B*D*E + C*D*E) + x*(A*B*C*D + A*B*C*E + A*B*D*E + A*C*D*E + B*C*D*E] - A*B*C*D*E = 0
or
x^5 - (x^4)*(A + B + C + D + E) + (x^3)*(A*B + A*C + A*D + B*C + B*D + C*D + A*E + B*E + C*E + D*E) - (x^2)*(A*B*C + A*B*D + A*C*D + B*C*D + A*B*E + A*C*E + A*D*E + B*C*E + B*D*E + C*D*E) + x*(A*B*C*D + A*B*C*E + A*B*D*E + A*C*D*E + B*C*D*E] = A*B*C*D*E

We have:
x^5 - 10x^4 + ax^3 + bx^2 + cx = 320

By comparing, we get
A + B + C + D + E = 10
A*B + A*C + A*D + B*C + B*D + C*D + A*E + B*E + C*E + D*E = a
A*B*C + A*B*D + A*C*D + B*C*D + A*B*E + A*C*E + A*D*E + B*C*E + B*D*E + C*D*E = b
A*B*C*D + A*B*C*E + A*B*D*E + A*C*D*E + B*C*D*E = c
A*B*C*D*E = 320

A + B + C + D + E = 10

In general, Sum = [2*m + (n-1)*r]*n/2
where
m is the first term
r is the common difference
n the number of terms

[2*A + (5-1)*r]*5/2 = 10
A + 2*r = 2
r = (2 - A)/2

For A = -4 , r = 3
Therefore
A = -4
B = -1
C =  2
D = 5
E = 8

Their sum is 10
And their product is 320

a = A*B + A*C + A*D + B*C + B*D + C*D + A*E + B*E + C*E + D*E = -5
b = A*B*C + A*B*D + A*C*D + B*C*D + A*B*E + A*C*E + A*D*E + B*C*E + B*D*E + C*D*E = 190
c = A*B*C*D + A*B*C*E + A*B*D*E + A*C*D*E + B*C*D*E = -136

Therefore:
a + b + c = 49

Kerim

I did a mistake (sorry, a mistyping, not about the asnswer); will someone correct it? smile

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#15 2024-05-14 08:50:47

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Re: 5 problems

KerimF, use the hide tag if you don't want to straight-up reveal the answer.

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