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Tigeree · 2009-05-26 12:59:51

I hate that creature, reminds me of humans. *wink wink* Possibly legendary. I just got this history book, when I say history book I mean history. It has everything in history in it, (of course it does, it weighs 3.5kgs aka 7.7 US pounds, 123.4 US ounces, .55 stone) well apart from the dawn of time, the big bang and so forth but it does have the first humans, Ardipithecus ramidus in 4.5 MYA, settled in Ethiopia, East Africa. Anyway enough about history, back to the topic, I love drawing legendary creatures not to mention researching on them and stuff but I just love drawing them, Which brings me back to the subject that I will go to Ireland one day actually why not the whole of Europe, I could go to Greece and search for Centaurs (also one of my favs.) and Harpies and Cyclops' and stuff. I could go back to England their bound to have Fairies and stuff there, If they haven't been extinct! I should go to New Zealand actually they should have Hobbits there and that. ...

bobbym · 2009-05-26 20:21:09

Hi Tigeree;

That creature is not legendary but it may soon be extinct. Thanks for the info on Ardipthecus ramidus, I didn't know that. Every couple of years they come up with a new name for the first humans, and a new place where they began. Do they know the name of the town where it actually happened?

Tigeree · 2009-05-27 18:19:27

Umm.... I'll see, bobz. They do have many names for the first humans.. I have some here actually... Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, Homo neanderthalensis and Homo Sapiens But also the Australopithecines, Paranthropus boisei and Ardipithecus This book here says that the earliest ancestors of humans are a small primate called Ardipithecus anamensis which populated in Afar, Ethiopia in said time in my earlier post. Said primate was most likely the ancestor of the Australopithecines- being humans 1 million years later. The earliest find of 1 of these humans is a Australopithecus afarensis which was famously nicknamed "Lucy" by the archaeologists who found her in 1974. The whole species is called the Hominin.
Although tools dating back to 1.8 mya have been found in a dry stream bed in Koobi Fora on the shore of Lake Turkana, Kenya.

That is all for now... Oh why do I always turn everything into History?...

bobbym · 2009-05-27 20:22:53

Hi Tigeree;

Thanks for the info. So it was Lake Turkana, hmmm.

jimmyR · 2009-05-29 13:32:51

Hi bobbym and Ricky

this is quite an unusual topic for a math forum!

it appears to me that bobbym is considering the existence of
these "things" and Ricky (based upon scientists) is not. I don't
believe you guys will ever agree (not on this topic anyway).

Did Carl Sagan really say that? His wife should have written
all his stuff and never let him speak on his own....

why doesn't bobbym get off the fence and clearly declare his
view on this topic (yay or nay), is he hiding something, is
he a legendary creature??

nothing about human society is fantastic enough for anyone
to praise the theories or judgements of the men who have
formed it (scientists). We don't have flying cars, cures for
almost any disease, we burn the enviroment (air, water, earth)
up like its infinite. No trips to Mars for the weekend kiddies...
So if they (scientists) say "NO" its probably "YES" or at least
"most likely".

well for a new member I have certainly jumped in with
both feet. Waiting for replies.

best wishes to all
jimmyR

Tigeree · 2009-05-29 17:48:06

jimmyR wrote:

why doesn't bobbym get off the fence and clearly declare his
view on this topic (yay or nay), is he hiding something, is
he a legendary creature??
jimmyR

That's definitely what I was thinking, jimmy. Bobby is probably a legendary creature planning to go to Lake Turkana and plot something evil like Starting the world over... With legendary creatures!!

Well that's my theory, anyway. Bobby?? What are your thoughts on the matter??

bobbym · 2009-05-29 18:22:25

Hi Tigeree;

Obviously you are feeling better. I say again, I am not a legendary creature. Nor do I have plans for world domination with or without the aid legendary creatures.

jimmyR wrote:

this is quite an unusual topic for a math forum!

Agreed

jimmyR wrote:

it appears to me that bobbym is considering the existence of
these "things" and Ricky (based upon scientists) is not. I don't
believe you guys will ever agree (not on this topic anyway).

You are 93.7625341% correct.

jimmyR wrote:

Did Carl Sagan really say that? His wife should have written
all his stuff and never let him speak on his own....

I don't care for that quote, true.

jimmyR wrote:

why doesn't bobbym get off the fence and clearly declare his
view on this topic (yay or nay), is he hiding something, is
he a legendary creature??

Interesting, anyone who mistakes me for a legendary anything has not been paying much attention, or is new. Well. I dated a ballerina and she taught me how to tiptoe along narrow fences.

jimmyR wrote:

nothing about human society is fantastic enough for anyone
to praise the theories or judgements of the men who have
formed it (scientists). We don't have flying cars, cures for
almost any disease, we burn the enviroment (air, water, earth)
up like its infinite. No trips to Mars for the weekend kiddies...
So if they (scientists) say "NO" its probably "YES" or at least
"most likely".

Maybe a no means possibly.

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bobbym · 2009-05-29 19:13:44

Hi Ricky;
Sorry for the delay in responding. In answer to post #25

Ricky wrote:

You seem to be missing the point. We make decisions every day based on incomplete knowledge. We go with our best understanding, which is entirely rational (since by definition there isn't anything better). Unfortunately we must do this in science as well. To "wait until all the facts are in" is silly if there is enough evidence to make a decision, even if the knowledge is still incomplete.

Due to the fact that we are forced to act with incomplete information we should be aware that our rationalizations could be erroneous. You mean, we don't know of anything better.

Ricky wrote:

And a doctor's opinions (on medicine) may be invalid! Being an expert does not suddenly make you into an all-knowing creature. I feel sorry for you if you think that just because you are not an chemist you can't conclude that homeopathy is bunk.

By golly you have got it! Yes, being an expert does not make one an all knowing creature. The experts could be wrong about these topics. Todays experts are tomorrows fools. Who walks around today quoting Ptolemaic astronomy. That is my point in its entirety.

Funny you should mention that, originally my training was in Chemistry and Biochemistry and I do not think that Homeopathy is bunk. But not being a Doctor, know one cares what I think. Society believes that one has to earn the right to voice an opinion on Medicine. All other disciplines tacitly agree.

Ricky wrote:

Because that's the point of what he was saying! Yes, it is well known that many scientists were laughed at and turned out to be right. It is so well known it has become cliche. But the point of the quote is that just because someone is laughed at does not make them right.

So if ridiculing strange theories does not prove they are right and it doesn't prove they are wrong, then why do it?

Ricky wrote:

It doesn't prove that any are in error! But the main thing is that it doesn't show with any reasonable amount of certainty that any are right either. It can't count as positive evidence, only suggestive. If there are a lot of eyewitnesses, then this could suggest the need for more research.But we can not accept eyewitness testimony as evidence.

Well historically there have been tens of thousands of eyewitness accounts of these strange things, over hundreds of years. The ridicule of the eyewitnesses by experts has prevented mainstream science from investigating them.

Ricky wrote:

This was the point I was trying to make before. If we were to accept eyewitness testimony as evidence, then we would have evidence for fairies, UFOs, Elvis, and so on.

Of course, testimony is evidence, so is observation. It is part of science. Also by proving that c does not exist does not prove that a does not exist. Elvis and your ever widening sphere of topics is not related to aliens, bigfoot. etc.

Ricky wrote:

You're going down the path of the Bayesians, which personally I do not recommend (from a philosophic standpoint). Everyone's judgment of how much is enough is different. When you have the entire field of zoology not recognizing cryptozoology as a valid discipline of science, this to me is enough.

Too bad, a little mathematical reasoning is what humanity needs.
It may be enough for you to trust zoologists and you may be right. I don't know. The question is, is it really enough. You have stated experts do not have all the answers. Trusting the opinions of zoologists may be an error. Margaret Geller once stated that in science the weight of authority has no meaning. They have been wrong before. This is not a math proof. we have no certainty here.

Also, we cannot state that all zoologists do not recognize cryptozoology.

Ricky wrote:

As for abrupt changes in precious beliefs, it happens, but it doesn't happen as much as it should.

Agreed.

Ricky wrote:

Either there is a serious misunderstanding here, or you're pulling my leg. I'll assume it is the later for now...

I see that you are a reasonable person, there can be no serious misunderstanding here. This is just a debate, nothing more.

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Tigeree · 2009-06-01 18:42:52

bobbym wrote:

Hi Tigeree;
Obviously you are feeling better. I say again, I am not a legendary creature. Nor do I have plans for world domination with or without the aid legendary creatures.

Yes, I am feeling better, Thank-you bobz.

bobbym wrote:

jimmyR wrote:
this is quite an unusual topic for a math forum!
Agreed

Agreed

bobbym wrote:

jimmyR wrote:
why doesn't bobbym get off the fence and clearly declare his
view on this topic (yay or nay), is he hiding something, is
he a legendary creature??
Interesting, anyone who mistakes me for a legendary anything has not been paying much attention, or is new. Well. I dated a ballerina and she taught me how to tiptoe along narrow fences.

Really!? Kool!

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bobbym · 2009-06-01 20:54:46

Hi Tigeree;

Glad you are better. That was a joke about the ballerina, it was supposed to be funny.

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Tigeree · 2009-06-03 20:36:50

I know!:D hee hee hee! & Thanx, bobby. But why won't you tell us what your mysterious legendary creatures is? I hate guessing games.

Anyways, I fear this is becoming off track, I found a creepy legendary creature called a Manticore. Very creepy. Very creepy indeed... Anyway carry on, & post me if you have any info on this "Manticore" or if you know of it. Coz I don't.

Thank you, luv 2 all! xxoo

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bobbym · 2009-06-03 20:49:10

Do you mean my favorite creature? The one who is aggressive, greedy, expansive, territorial, hard on the environment and heading for possible extinction, only one creature fits that description.

I have heard of a manticore but I don't know what it is. I need to do some research on it.

Found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manticore

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Tigeree · 2009-06-04 18:16:47

Yes, the creature that is aggressive, greedy, expansive, territorial, hard on the environment and heading for possible extinction. The only creature I can think of that fits that description is human.

Thanx for the stuff on the Manticore, bobz! I have to figure I owe you one.

I looked on wiki and apparently a Manticore is a sphinx-type creature but Greek... I also saw some little bird called a Martlet, kind of like a swallow or something.
They also had several names for Griffin, and I though a Salamander was a real amphibian.

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bobbym · 2009-06-04 20:45:30

Hi Tigeree,

You thought right a salamander is an amphibian, Yes, that mystery creature is human.

Tigeree · 2009-06-05 14:34:30

I knew it. From the first time you posted it, I knew it.

About the salamander, on wiki it counted the salamander as an legendary creature. Now I'm confused. Someone should edit that article, I'll take another look at it though...

Ok I actually read the article on wiki, and it said that modern authors took salamanders to legendary creatures in olden tales (16th century actually) Whence they were said to have elemental powers, fire to be precise, so they were named fire salamanders but there is such thing as a fire salamander anyway, it's like a patchy black and yellow. So I'm still confused.

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bobbym · 2009-06-05 17:35:21

Hi Tigeree;

Its a real creature, not legendary, so don't be confused.

jimmyR · 2009-06-08 12:29:07

Hi Tigeree and bobbym,

how about those little grey dudes with big heads?

Tigeree · 2009-06-08 20:12:28

You mean a Gray Alien?

bobbym · 2009-06-09 20:26:15

Yep, a real live zeta reticulan is what I think he means.

Tigeree · 2009-06-10 18:31:19

Well the only thing I know about, Gray Aliens are that they're portrayed as about 4ft tall, gray skin, slanted oval eyes, long arms, and a small thin body. But I also know that in the late 19th century writers such as H.G Wells were writing about creatures like these.

bobbym · 2009-06-11 07:34:23

Yes, but there is more, 200 IQ, hearing better than a dog, 450 year lifespan. Eat by ingesting blood through their skin.

Tigeree · 2009-06-11 13:41:01

Hmm... Thank you bobby. 450 yrs? Thats in human years? Ingesting blood through their skin? What are they? Frogs? Thats just really creepy, creepier than I can handle & y'all know I can handle creepy.

bobbym · 2009-06-12 01:54:34

Yep, that is in earth years.

jimmyR · 2009-06-12 11:40:06

hi tigeree and bobbym

yup little grey aliens from zeta reticulum is what i mean

i have a few that live next door to me, they don't make alot
of noise but i wouldn't want to get a cup of sugar from them
either.

Tigeree · 2009-06-12 15:31:47

Thats great, jimmy! Give us the download next time you see them doing anything suspicious!
I've know for sure bobby can't be a mythical creature, he is waaaaaaaaay to nice! Well, non-humanly nice so it's still a possibility...

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