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gAr

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Yes, but it's going the other way round here. Geogebra is incorporating a CAS!

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bobbym

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Yes, I noticed how he snuggled Maxima in there! Very impressive.

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gAr

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Hi,

I tried geogebra3d in another system, installing only the jogl libraries, works fine.
Usually takes 20% CPU, atmost 60% for few examples.

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"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

bobbym

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Hi gAr;

That sounds about normal. Graphics are very demanding on the CPU.

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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Re: Is this cool with you?

New Problem:

A used car salesman has 8 lots with 100 cars each. He wants to repaint all his cars. Each day one of his employees picks 35 cars at random from all his cars and paints them. Then he returns them to the lots. Since they do not keep records some cars get painted more than once. After 23 days the manager would like to know how many cars have been painted. he wants to do this without going down to the lots. Can you figure it for him?

A says) 522.
B says) I do not have an answer but I know that A's answer is wrong.
C says) I got that, and it is definitely wrong.
D says) No answer yet.
E says) I got it!

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

gAr

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Hi bobbym,

This appears to be a lengthy problem. Analytical solution is progressing slowly!
A simulation got something like 514.4.

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bobbym

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Hi gAr;

Take your time. Your simulation is correct. I think you will like the solution once you find it.

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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

gAr

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Hi bobbym,

After some confusing attempts:

Do you have a closed form?

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bobbym

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Hi gAr;

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

gAr

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Hi bobbym,

Thanks!

So, that means

Cool formula! How did you approach it?

Last edited by gAr (2012-03-02 01:06:10)

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Hi;

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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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gAr

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Gee, so simple!

I used a huge memoization table to compute every probability!

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"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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Re: Is this cool with you?

When I tried this problem I worked it into a coupon collector problem. Using that I was able to come up with an expression involving the Harmonic series. It was close, giving an answer of 541.

Then my brother pointed me to the recurrence and his notes where they solved a similar problem. They got the recurrence but solved it incorrectly and got an answer of 522.

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

gAr

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Re: Is this cool with you?

I knew there would be a recurrence, be proved too tricky to think.

Your brother looks good at math like you are! Is he younger or elder? Does he spend as much time as you do, doing math?

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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

bobbym

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Hi gAr;

He is younger and a member here. But he does not like forums and will not post. He is one of two people I taught personally and they are both better than me. How annoying! Unfortunately he is now interested in other things. His specialty was computation, vector analysis and tensor analysis

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

gAr

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Oh, I see.
He has never posted?
Who's the other person you taught?

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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

bobbym

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Re: Is this cool with you?

He posts just a little math.

The other one is Elaina VW.

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

gAr

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Okay.

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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

gAr

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Re: Is this cool with you?

In the above question, will the answer be the same even if it's picking 35 cars from one lot and not from all lots together?
I think answer's the same.

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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

bobbym

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Hi gAr;

I think so too. I think the 8 lots is just some word play to make the problem more confusing. We could have them all in one lot.

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

gAr

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Re: Is this cool with you?

Hi bobbym,

Okay.
I'll take a break, see you...

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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

bobbym

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Re: Is this cool with you?

See you later!

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

bobbym

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Re: Is this cool with you?

New Problem:

A guy owes 20 dollars to one person and 30 dollars to another. he thinks about it and decides that he can pay them back in lots of ways. For one thing he could pay them both off at once ( 20 , 30 ) or he could pay them back in three payments ( 17, 20 ,13 ).He could even pay them back in 50 payments ( 1,1,1,1,1,1,1, ... 50 ones ). How many ways can he pay them back?

A says) 23375027833134659365376 ways
B says) 23375027833134659365376 ways
C says) 23375027833134659365376 ways
D says) 23375027833134659365376 ways
E says) This is a first, we all agree and we are all wrong!

What is the right answer?

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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Re: Is this cool with you?

hi bobbym

see you finally solved it.what does the (20,30) mean?

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Re: Is this cool with you?

He pays 20 dollars to the first guy and 30 dollars to the second all at once. That is one possible payment.

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.