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reconsideryouranswer

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Registered: 2011-05-11

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Don't use subjective language when describing problems.

The following list are examples, but it is not exhaustive, of what should
not be used as mathematical qualifiers:
easy, simple, hard, difficult, obvious, clear.
These give no objective information as to a math problem, proof,
step in a proof, etc. One of the ways around these, in certain
circumstances, is to use the word "relatively" with them.
Or, make it clear as an opinion, as in "I found it easy for me."

Don't presume to speak for others. The above list of words
smack of either 1) arrogance, 2) desperation for others to
read/attempt your problem, or both.

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Re: Don't use subjective language when describing problems.

The following list are examples, but it is not exhaustive, of what should
not be used as mathematical qualifiers:
easy, simple, hard, difficult, obvious, clear.

Don't presume to speak for others. The above list of words
smack of either 1) arrogance, 2) desperation for others to
read/attempt your problem, or both.

I do not agree with 1) and 2) but you also left out 3),4), 5). It is impossible to enforce the guidelines you suggest and not necessary. I think you know that.

This whole thread can be an attempt to continue the arguments in other threads. Even after I have moderated those threads.

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic … 26#p185226
Post # 233

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic … 21#p185221
Post #9

I believe that is the problem you are implying is arrogant. Then I have already politely told you twice to stop with the name calling. I do not consider his post arrogant or desperate. Bullying is not allowed here! Have I made myself clear?

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reconsideryouranswer

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Posts: 171

Re: Don't use subjective language when describing problems.

The following list are examples, but it is not exhaustive, of what should
not be used as mathematical qualifiers:
easy, simple, hard, difficult, obvious, clear, trivial**.

Except, possibly as in "trivial step" in a proof by induction

I believe that is the problem you are implying is arrogant.
Then I have already politely told you twice to stop with the
name calling. I do not consider his post arrogant or desperate.
Bullying is not allowed here!***

Don't misread what I have typed.  Those words in my list *are* presumptuous.
What it is for you does not necessarily apply to me, and vice versa.
Typing those words do mean those qualities, as I am an expert in the
misuse/abuse of them.  In all of the excitement of presenting a problem
with a subjective qualifier, this error is lost.  You, as a moderator,
made up some statement in one of your posts that I haqd ignored you.
From there, you stated that you were closing that thread.  I didn't ignore
what you typed, but in you closing that thread, it was easier to do that
than to engage me honestly.
At a different tutoring site  a well-seasoned user got banned by the
administrator, in part, for challenging my education (schooling, teaching),
much as gAr did with me.  gAr instigated his attack on me with what
is his equivalent name-calling, and is subject to being reported.

*** It is, and denying it is not currently being done by any of your
moderators, e.g. gAr, is [name calling removed by moderator]

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Re: Don't use subjective language when describing problems.

Under the guise of engaging me honestly you use the last line to take cheap shots at gAr. I am here to
prevent that. I have removed that name calling in post #3. I do not care who went first. I am telling you to stop 4 times now. gAr has stopped, he is doing math why are you continuing to bad mouth him?

I do not care what other moderators have done. I intend to follow the rules. That is what I do. Again, you can have all the fun you want but I will not allow you to bash gAr or any other member.

I do not see the sense of trying to see how far you can push bobbym before he goes over the edge. Why do you not just forget the whole thing?

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

reconsideryouranswer

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Re: Don't use subjective language when describing problems.

User (moderator) gAr has been officially reported to the administration (contact form)

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=185221#p185221
Note the first few lines of post #7 where he had/has zero business
challenging and disparaging about my educational teaching status.
This is certainly a kind of bashing (albeit it more subtle), as what has been
*alleged* by me.

And other users, including other moderators, will be considered for being
reported, depending on their future online behaviors in the future.

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Re: Don't use subjective language when describing problems.

And other users, including other moderators, will be considered for being
reported, depending on their future online behaviors in the future.

If that is a threat then do your worst. I stand by my behaviour. I have told you I do not care what went before. You continue after I tell you to stop, gAr does not.

I also know that prior to the post you have reported you have been needling gAr and a few others.

I didn't ignore
what you typed, but in you closing that thread, it was easier to do that
than to engage me honestly.

You didn't ignore what I typed? I told you to stop with the name calling. I had to delete part of your post #3 ( in this thread ) for name calling! No you didn't ignore me you just did not pay any attention to what I said.

I closed that page to prevent any more belligerance from you. I have talked to you honestly, I have pleaded with you.

Also I do remember when this occurred and who started it. You were criticizing about the principal value and you were incorrect. Then you were criticizing about log(x) and you were incorrect again. Both times sites were produced proving you wrong.

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.