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A list of 1000 zeroes is created called M. A random number is picked from 1 to 1000. Each time one of these is picked, the zero in the list ( at that index ) is changed to a 1. For instance if the random number is 276 then M[276]=1. What is the average number of random numbers that must be picked to have 200 ones in the list?
A says) 200 of course.
B says) Not likely A the exact answer is C says) I got 251.18725416273654 and that is darn close.
D says) That is what I got!
E says) Nope, I like B's answer.
What is B's answer?
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Hi Bobby,
Last edited by phrontister (2012-07-23 21:32:54)
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Hi phrontister;
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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Hi Bobby,
"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson
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Hi phrontister;
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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Hi bobbym,
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?
"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."
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Hi gAr;
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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Hi Bobby,
I found my error with the shortcut and fixed it. Both methods give the same answer.
Last edited by phrontister (2012-07-24 14:28:41)
"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson
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Hi bobbym,
I think you are right.
I did not try simulation.
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?
"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."
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Hi gAr;
Okay, give it a try when you have some time. Thanks for working on the problem.
Hi phrontister;
That is good. Did you know a solution in M earns extra credit? Thanks for looking at the problem.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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Hi Bobby,
Did you know a solution in M earns extra credit?
Xlnt! I'll send you my bank account details if I find an M solution.
Should I try one of my methods? If so, which one? Or did you mean your method (but I don't understand yours or gAr's because of my Year 4 high-school maths level).
"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson
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Hi phrontister;
I meant for a simulation using M.
Should I try one of my methods?
Yes! Either one that you think will be easier to code in M.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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Ok, Bobby, I'll give that a go. Get ready for my cry for help, though, because at this early stage the task seems to be a bit daunting.
I've got no idea whatsoever about how go about it, other than to dive into M's help files with the hope that I can find some examples that relate to what I want to do...which may take a while.
"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson
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Hi phrontister;
You will do fine. Holler if you need help.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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Hi bobbym,
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?
"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."
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Hi gAr;
If you want to you can. Let me know when and I will make a thread there for yours and phrontister's.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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Hi bobbym,
Yes, and maybe you too can post your code there so that users can have a choice among the tools of the trade!
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?
"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."
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Hi;
Will do!
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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New problem:
What is the diameter of the smallest circle that encloses x^2 + y^2 = 4 and (x - 2)^2 + (y - 4)^2 = 9?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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Hi bobbym
Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-09-06 01:15:42)
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Hi anonimnystefy;
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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Hi bobbym
Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.
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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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New problem;
What is the area of the smallest equilateral triangle that encloses x^2 + y^2 = 4 and (x - 2)^2 + (y - 4)^2 = 9?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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New Problem:
E says)
The sum
converges slowly. It takes 80,000 terms to get only 8 correct digits past the decimal. B can you speed up the convergence of this series? I know that Mathematica or Maple can get any number of digits for it but I would like to do it myself. What I am looking for is an acceleration of the series convergence.
A says) Hold on E, B isn't the only guy who can do things. I have never been wrong yet have I? Of course not. Just let me say there is no way. Now you can talk B.
B says) Thanks A you are too kind to me. Of course there is a simple way to produce a series that converges faster than that one. All you do is make use of...
C says) There you go again B. Contradicting A. There is a reason A goes first. He is the man! The best! He already said it can not be done.
D says) What is a series?
E says) A comes before B because of the dictionary. I want to hear what B has to say.
A says) I don't.
C says) Agreed!
D says) B, is it true that you are a distant cousin of Torricelli? Not Evangelista, the other one.
B says) Oh boy!?
Can you come up with a faster series that converges to the same value?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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