Justice

noemi · 2013-03-04 23:33:54

you are looking on God as on man... you can't trapped Him in the same box.. His mind is multidimensional... He is the alpha and omega.. He has no time.. the decision He makes now, He knows what will be the result..
His will determines the way your ways should be.. He doesn't have to be corrected.. all He does is complement things
He has a free will to give you and to take away from you.. and at any time He is just..

I really have too much work..so, have a rest

bobbym · 2013-03-04 23:35:34

All incorrect. Read Exodus 32 : 9 onwards and see the old testament deity change his mind. Of course he can change his mind.

noemi · 2013-03-05 05:48:18

yep... if you're correct - I must be incorrect, bobbym.

anonimnystefy · 2013-03-05 05:55:11

Hi bobbym

Shouldn't it be "His", not "his"?

noemi · 2013-03-05 06:00:31

is this mocking, stefy?

anonimnystefy · 2013-03-05 06:11:23

Hi noemi

No, it is not.

Who did you think I was mocking and why would you think that?

bobbym · 2013-03-05 06:27:36

yep... if you're correct - I must be incorrect, bobbym.

Did you read from 9 onwards?

noemi · 2013-03-05 06:38:51

you are so predictable .. didn't He know all those things? He knew them and had let them be written...

bobbym · 2013-03-05 06:44:01

It says He repented and changed his mind. Moses rebuked him. That is what the passage says, I do not see the sense in interpreting things to suit your viewpoint.

noemi · 2013-03-05 06:50:42

Moses was praying and.. God heard his prayer..Proverbs 15:29 The Lord is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.
if you pray He will answer to you too..
but He knows everything since the very first beginning..cause He is the beginning

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bobbym · 2013-03-05 06:53:52

That has nothing to do with Exodus 32 : 9 - 15. Why are you avoiding answering the question?

noemi · 2013-03-05 07:13:59

it has.. read 11 verse

bobbym · 2013-03-05 07:18:13

Exactly, Moses changed his mind and he repented for his sin?

13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.

14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

It is all there in black and white.

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noemi · 2013-03-05 07:31:43

well.. moses asked for mercy for his ppl.. God answered...
in my translation is another word instead of repent..it's "gave up"

this evil doesn't mean God was supposed to sin against them..He was just about to do justice, but Moses asked for mercy.. and He listened.. (I've said..and I'll say it again.. God had known Israel's sin before and he had known this Moses request before..and that He will approve it..He just let it to be written...I don't know if you understand me..)

when I said 11th verse I meant "And Moses besought the Lord his God,

I know what are you trying to say.. but don't you think that God is going to give up on judgement day...

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bobbym · 2013-03-05 07:44:32

Gave up, means he changed his mind. Moses convinced him to do something other than he thought to do. That means he can change his mind, he has free will.

in my translation is another word instead of repent..it's "gave up"

Your translation is flawed.

I have a KJV that is more than 100 years old. The word is repented. You have to watch out for later translations by men.

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anonimnystefy · 2013-03-29 00:34:44

noemi wrote:

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth

I just remembered. Have you heard Severina's song?

Agnishom · 2013-10-18 02:58:50

So, did you all figure out what Justice is?

anonimnystefy · 2013-10-18 10:27:35

I don't think it is possible to define it. We all have different viewpoints on what it is. And all it is is an ethical norm. I mean, who says it is a crime to steal or whatever. I do not disagree that some norm must exist, but that norm is very arbitrary.

For example, look at the differences between the justice in the old days and now. In time people gain new perspectives and with it comes a new interpretation for every aspect of a human and his social life.

bobbym · 2013-10-18 10:59:45

The only viewpoint that counts is the one the people in charge have.

Agnishom · 2014-04-26 16:45:03

noemi wrote:

To eastern people...tell me what have your gods done for you?

Here is the eastern view:
Every action that has ever been done has been done by God himself. The idea that Agnishom is posting this or bobbym is banning GiB is essentially an illussion.

See Bhagavad Gita: Chapter 11, verse 33

The concept of nimitta matram is important here. God has posted this already and banned GiB himself. I and bobbym are just the nimitta matram's here.

noemi wrote:

My God died instead of me because He loved me...(since the penalty for sin is death and since God is righteous.. to fulfill that righteousness the blood had to be shed )..now tell me, is there a greater love than that.. to die for a sinner who spits on you and fornicates with other gods?

Now, that sense of doing something for someone or being righteous is built into your common sense. How do you know that this is right? How do you know what justice model God is following?

Let us on the contrary assume that the eastern God has done nothing for our so called benefit as you define it. It still does not justify why the eastern philosophy is wrong. We were not given any guidelines to setup a philosophy that fits a criteria such as yours or your perception.

If you are still not convinced, let me tell you that the so called eastern God has done a lot of things like slaying monsters, saving humanity from floods, etc. Read the puranas if you want to know that. But again, I do not like those parts because they look westernish even though they are in eastern literature.

By the way, what is your favorite color?

bobbym · 2014-04-26 20:32:35

Just for the record, he bans himself. That is the best justice I know.

Agnishom · 2014-04-26 20:48:54

GiB bans himself?

bobbym · 2014-04-26 20:50:19

He knows the rules, he knows that breaking them forces a mod to bar him...

You did not see his last username?

ShivamS · 2014-04-26 23:47:23

How can noemi distinguish between 'eastern' and 'western' Gods anyway? What if they are the same?

Agnishom · 2014-04-27 00:00:10

Her question does not make sense anyway

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