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#1 2013-10-01 14:26:30
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Complex Plane
First version of Complex Plane
I feel it could be improved ...
(Also, do you like the explanation of complex numbers, or prefer the one on this page: Complex Numbers)
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#2 2013-10-01 14:56:57
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Re: Complex Plane
Hi MIF;
I think the Complex Plane one will go over better. I do think it needs to be split into a couple of pages.
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#3 2013-10-01 15:26:38
Re: Complex Plane
Waiting for the hypercomplex plane to come soon
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#4 2013-10-01 16:03:15
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Re: Complex Plane
I do think it needs to be split into a couple of pages.
I think so too ... maybe move all the multiplication sections?
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#5 2013-10-01 18:34:29
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Re: Complex Plane
Hi MIF;
That would work.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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#6 2013-10-01 20:13:47
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Re: Complex Plane
hi MathsIsFun
The page is good and the explanations work well. Ideally, a student who is new to this should read the complex number page first; but may stumble on this one first.
Suggestion:
Keep the existing complex number page (1) as it is but add links to the complex plane page (2) and a 'Multiplying by i' page (3).
Edit the complex plane page (2) so that immediately after this (It is also called an "Argand Diagram") you have a note that advises the reader to look at (1) first. Then take everything from Multiplying By i onward to a new page (3)
Bob
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#7 2013-10-01 22:20:17
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Re: Complex Plane
Good advice.
The new page would be "Complex Number Multiplication" ... it will need a quick intro to complex numbers, a quick intro the complex plane ... and I cover (a+bi)(c+di) multiplication on the Complex Number page, so I should bring that in as well ... eeek.
Well I will get started on rehashing and see where it takes me.
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#8 2013-10-07 09:13:03
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Re: Complex Plane
OK ... wrote a new page: Complex Number Multiplication
It would be really nice if everyone could check it for errors ... or simply make suggestions.
There seems to be disagreement on which form is the real De Moivre (with or without r): which is right for you? Have I got it correct?
I also say "for any integer exponent n": thoughts?
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#9 2013-10-07 11:54:23
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Re: Complex Plane
Hi;
Abraham de Moivre, if only he had stuck to generating functions...
That is de Moivre's formula as I know it. Wikipedia has it that way too. What references do not?
For any integer n is okay. There are multiple values for non integers.
It looks good to me.
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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#10 2013-10-07 15:45:32
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Re: Complex Plane
Has "r": http://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/De_Moivre_formula
Has "r": http://faculty.uml.edu/klevasseur/math/demoivre/demoivre.html
No "r": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Moivre%27s_formula
Eeek
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#11 2013-10-07 19:13:51
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Re: Complex Plane
hi MathsIsFun,
That page looks great to me.
When I was taught de Moivre it had the r. It's more useful like that and it's easy to 'drop' the r if desired, so I would keep it as you have written it.
Bob
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#12 2013-10-07 21:54:03
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Re: Complex Plane
I prefer it with "r" too. Let's just ignore Wikipedia 
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#13 2013-10-08 00:09:35
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Re: Complex Plane
hi MIF,
I've had a 'google' and the points are just about even between the two versions. I found two 'histories of' and the score there was 1:1. So I'm with you on this. You can't go wrong if you follow the advice of Lewis Carroll:
When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to mean neither more nor less.
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#14 2013-10-08 04:28:20
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Re: Complex Plane
Great page, but I suggest keeping both of them.
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#15 2013-10-08 04:55:39
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Re: Complex Plane
Hi;
Maybe a picture and a little bit about Abraham de Moivre. So few students today no anything about the history of math, the stories, the people.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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#16 2013-10-08 05:16:25
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Re: Complex Plane
Most people barely know much of actual pure math, much less the history of it.
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#17 2013-10-08 05:26:50
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Re: Complex Plane
The 2 go hand in hand. Without knowing the history and the people it just seems like an extraordinarily hard puzzle, something abstract and foreign. Math is put into its proper prospect when you learn about the men/women who did it and why.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.
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