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Laterally Speaking

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Re: What shape is the universe?

Let's pretend we didn't start this confusing "conversation", OK?

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LQ

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Re: What shape is the universe?

Sure.

PS. How fast is space expansion energy?

Could that actually be gravity, space expansion energy that hit us from "creation"? That would explain why some far away 1a stars explodes stronger far away in space and why galaxies rotate (just like a ball with a movement inside a wheel will start rotating.
PS. Awesome signature!

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LQ

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Re: What shape is the universe?

Laterally, I'll do a "laterall" and double post. All post on the net are insane and stupid.

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Laterally Speaking

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Re: What shape is the universe?

Puis-je demander ce que vous essayez, en vain, de dire? Peut-etre est-ce quelque chose d'absolument absurde, ou alors simplement incomprehensible?

I got the idea for the signature from my aunt, who is a lawyer.

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LQ

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Re: What shape is the universe?

Imagine a ball that roles around the side of a wheel, a bit like roulett.
The far away beginning of the universe sends out expansion energy in, let's say, speed of light. What we see of it must still affect us, just like photons from there affect our eyes. Galaxies we see that are closer to the beginning at one side and moving in another direction then straight against or straight from the middle of the universe should just like the ball in the wheel, start rotating.

Yes, no, not likely, very likely, I don't know, I have no idea.

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Laterally Speaking

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Re: What shape is the universe?

Neither do I.

Anyways, I was wondering whether there is any area of space that can be observed as the "center" of the universe; that is, the area which all other matter in the universe is moving away from?

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LQ

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Re: What shape is the universe?

If I am right now, we could judge that by measuring the gravity at all sides of an object.

Then move the object a bit in the direction of the force vectorsum and see how much the variation change. And then you simply make a calculation as to how far the center is in that direction.

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Laterally Speaking

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Re: What shape is the universe?

If you say so. You could also look at the the distance and direction of all the planets, stars, etc., plot it onto a 3D chart, and see which area has the most movement away from it.

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Re: What shape is the universe?

And you expect all things to move away from the center?

Rather and more likely the force vector would direct you right too it. The galaxies on the other hand initially had their own special direction while space expands why they rotate. Given that it is useless to look at the movement of galaxies, the coordinates of the center given would not be precise enough.

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Laterally Speaking

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Re: What shape is the universe?

I suppose that, if matter is not expanding uniformly, there wouldn't be an obvious center, but there would still be an area from which most matter is departing (at the very large scale, ei: galaxies, clusters, etc.).

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LQ

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Re: What shape is the universe?

It's the space that expands, not the matter. I am talking about the center of space.

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